Clam Devours Books & Shares Cheese ❂ 2023 ~ Part IV ❂

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Clam Devours Books & Shares Cheese ❂ 2023 ~ Part IV ❂

1clamairy
Sep 23, 2023, 9:01 pm

New season, new thread!



Well now... I am a huge fan of Barbara Kingsolver's so I was unnerved when I started reading Pulitzer Prize winning Demon Copperhead a few months ago and found it too depressing. I decided to trade in an Audible credit for the audio book and try again. I had my socks blown off. There is a lot of dark humor in here which the narrator Charlie Thurston manages to convey perfectly. I think I was missing out on that when I tried to read it because a lot of it is written in dialect.

I really can't praise this one enough. It's a retelling of David Copperfield. Damon (Demon) is born in Appalachia, in the era of opioid addiction. I knew it was a bad problem in this area, but I really didn't know why, and now I do. I won't rant in here, but ruthless pharmaceutical companies, brutal physical labor (coal mining, etc) and a lack of decent health insurance combined to create this disaster. If you can stomach reading about heavy Rx drug use in parts of the book then I recommend this one. For some reason it didn't bother me the way the drug use in The Goldfinch* did. Perhaps because this is definitely not glorifying it. Five stars from me. I'd give it six if I could.

*This one also won the Pulitzer.

2jillmwo
Sep 23, 2023, 9:06 pm

Happy new thread! I'm glad your new thread is starting off with a book you thoroughly enjoyed.

3Karlstar
Sep 23, 2023, 10:50 pm

Happy new thread! I think I have to read the original before reading Demon Copperhead, though from your description I'm not sure it is my kind of book.

4pgmcc
Sep 24, 2023, 4:45 am

Happy new thread.

5clamairy
Sep 24, 2023, 7:57 am

>2 jillmwo: & >4 pgmcc: Thank you.

>3 Karlstar: Before you decide to give it a pass read this LT review. It does a much better job of explaining what I loved about the book than I could: https://www.librarything.com/work/27996967/reviews/233434523

6Karlstar
Sep 24, 2023, 11:31 am

>5 clamairy: Thank you, I was getting the sense that I would really like to read it, but then was conflicted by your experience. From your review I think there may be sections that I really won't want to read, it may be one of those books where I just skip small sections.

7clamairy
Sep 24, 2023, 11:54 am

>6 Karlstar: She certainly doesn't glorify prescription drug abuse, and she casts the blame where it belongs and not on the victims. I was able to get through all it, even though my husband was one of those victims. He was prescribed Vicodin by a well-meaning but not well informed neurologist for his back pain. (Back pain is very common in people with MS.) Then the doctor just kept increasing the dose. It was a long stint in the hospital and rehab for a bowel obstruction caused by the Vicodin that hastened my husband's death. So I found the book very cathartic.

8foggidawn
Sep 24, 2023, 4:47 pm

Happy new thread! I know Demon Copperhead has been getting all the raves, but I’m still on the fence about reading it.

9clamairy
Sep 24, 2023, 8:06 pm

>8 foggidawn: I understand. Perhaps you can try borrowing the audio through OverDrive.

10Meredy
Modifié : Sep 24, 2023, 9:52 pm

>1 clamairy: >5 clamairy: Since I've resumed a bit of activity around here, I've met a barrage of BBs. Now Demon Copperhead is another one. Unfortunately I can relate to your personal experience watching a family member go through that hell. Thank you for sharing that with us, together with your comments on this book. I'm not a huge fan of Kingsolver nor of books heavy with dialect (unless they're 19th c. British or Scots), but I'll go with your recommendation.

11MrsLee
Sep 25, 2023, 1:02 am

>1 clamairy: Kingsolver is a very hit and miss author for me. I have found several of her works hopeless and depressing. Then other times she can almost make me sing.

12clamairy
Sep 25, 2023, 10:16 am

>10 Meredy: I hope it works for you.
>11 MrsLee: There has only been one book of hers that I read and didn't love, Prodigal Summer. I still have a few in my TBR stack, though.

13clamairy
Modifié : Sep 25, 2023, 8:55 pm



Another great read for me! Tom Lake by Ann Patchett is, on the surface, about one woman's memories of her short acting career. It's really about how precious the love of family can be. This one was another slow burn. I'm giving it 4½ stars because it seemed like it took a while to grab me. But when it did, oh boy. At it's center is the play Our Town by Thorton Wilder, and if you haven't ever read it, or been privileged enough to see it performed live, then you might want to brush up on it before reading this. I think this book might end up in the running for next year's Pulitzer.
She kept the red leather-bound dictionary her husband had given to her on their first anniversary on the bedside table where another woman might have kept a Bible.


14clamairy
Sep 25, 2023, 8:59 pm



Yes, anthropology can be both humorous and informative! Who Ate the First Oyster was another great listen from Audible. My only complaint was that this was too short. I will be reading and/or listening to more by Cody Cassidy.

15Karlstar
Sep 25, 2023, 10:44 pm

>14 clamairy: That one is a good question. Who decided that the shell full of mucus was edible and took a chance on it? They thought it was a clam?

16MrsLee
Sep 26, 2023, 12:08 am

>15 Karlstar: *whispers* Shhh, we don't talk about eating clams in here.

17clamairy
Modifié : Sep 26, 2023, 9:08 am

>15 Karlstar: I happen to love oysters and clams (and scallops and mussels) so it all makes perfect sense to me.

>16 MrsLee: 😆

18Sakerfalcon
Sep 26, 2023, 11:05 am

Happy new thread! I'm so glad you were able to get into Demon Copperhead on the second try, and ended up loving it. It really was such a good read, and Demon's narrative voice stopped it from being totally depressing.

19Karlstar
Sep 26, 2023, 1:57 pm

>17 clamairy: Ooops?? I can do scallops and mussels, though I don't eat them often and clams even less often, just can't do oysters.

20pgmcc
Sep 26, 2023, 2:26 pm

>17 clamairy: & >19 Karlstar:
I love oysters, mussels and cockles.

21clamairy
Sep 26, 2023, 2:41 pm

>20 pgmcc: Do cockles taste like clams, I wonder? Because the shells look scallop-like, but animal inside does not.

>19 Karlstar: More for me, then!

22clamairy
Sep 26, 2023, 2:42 pm

>18 Sakerfalcon: Yes. When I was reading it I couldn't find much humor, but as soon as I switched to the audio it was all there!

23pgmcc
Sep 26, 2023, 2:49 pm

>21 clamairy:
They have s stronger flavour and are gorgeous with buttered wheaten bread. Unfortunately I am finding it difficult to get them in the shops. I may have to start gathering some for myself.

24clamairy
Sep 26, 2023, 3:25 pm

>23 pgmcc: They sound delicious. Why are they harder to find? Are people just not eating them as much or have they become more scarce?

25jillmwo
Sep 26, 2023, 4:11 pm

>17 clamairy: and >23 pgmcc: One of the joys of visiting New Orleans back when I was young was discovering the place that listed Oysters Rockefeller as part of its menu of "take-out" food. I think I must have had it three or four times that trip. So good.

26clamairy
Modifié : Sep 26, 2023, 6:06 pm

>25 jillmwo: Yum!!! There's a fish market in town that sells Oysters Rockefeller prepped and frozen. Since I am rubbish at shucking my own oysters these are the ones that I buy when I have company. Soooo good.

27pgmcc
Sep 26, 2023, 6:23 pm

>24 clamairy:
I do not know why they have become difficult to find in supermarkets. Tesco used to sell bags of frozen, shelled cockles and that is where I got mine. These disappeared from the freezers and I have no idea why.

My first cockles where in a bar on the south coast. They were provided free as nibbles at the bar.

28hfglen
Sep 27, 2023, 5:35 am

>27 pgmcc: Because Molly Malone is no more, perhaps?

29haydninvienna
Sep 27, 2023, 5:42 am

>28 hfglen: Molly M still exists, immortalised in bronze, in Dublin.

30hfglen
Sep 27, 2023, 8:41 am

>29 haydninvienna: However, "she died of a fever / and no one could save her / and that was the end of sweet Molly Malone ..." and even if "her ghost wheels her barrow / through streets broad and narrow / crying cockles and mussels ..." it might be rather hard to stop her for a purchase ;-), despite the presence of The Tart With A Cart.

31pgmcc
Modifié : Sep 27, 2023, 8:59 am

I think the reference to Molly Malone and her statue, "The Tart With A Cart", requires a picture for those readers not familiar with the bronze commemoration* statue in Dublin.



*Commemoration is probably not an appropriate term for a statue of a fictional character in a song, but I could not think of a better one. It could be argued it is a commemoration a past way of life for some people. There are still market stalls in Dublin and the ladies running them carry on the tradition of Molly, well, her goods selling traditions. There is at least one fish stall on Moore Street, but I have not noticed cockles or mussels on it.

32clamairy
Sep 27, 2023, 9:40 am

>31 pgmcc: Are we sure mollusks were the only thing on sale?

33pgmcc
Sep 27, 2023, 10:03 am

>32 clamairy:
I see you noticed the between the lines message. She may have been selling crabs.

34jillmwo
Sep 27, 2023, 10:50 am

>32 clamairy: >31 pgmcc: >29 haydninvienna: >30 hfglen:. You all have me cackling when I should really be doing other things this morning. I'd never heard of such a statue. The Tart with a Cart - ROFL.

However, I will say that the Weather Channel this am was showing a chilly, rainy Dublin street from their Earthcam. Did no one think to offer the poor woman a shawl or perhaps a rain poncho?

35pgmcc
Sep 27, 2023, 11:21 am

>34 jillmwo:
It is indeed a wet and windy day in Dublin. It is Storm Agnes which I understand is a consequence of your recent Storm Ophelia. We had a Storm Ophelia a few years ago and it was devastating.

I suspect a shawl would not last long on Molly’s shoulders due to the wind.

36MrsLee
Sep 27, 2023, 11:24 am

>31 pgmcc: and the rest of you, made me snort.

37clamairy
Modifié : Sep 30, 2023, 3:41 pm

I've started reading spooky things for Halloween season. I found a list here on LT of Ghost Stories. https://www.librarything.com/list/10358/Ghosts And I spotted one that looked familiar. Turns out that sakerfalcon had recommended it a couple of years ago, and it was on my OverDrive list, so I snagged it.



The Broken Girls scared me so much that the first few nights I had to switch to reading something else before I fell asleep. I no longer have a dog to protect me. My cat is great company, but she also excels at staring at things I can't see, which can be unsettling. This book is about an abandoned (and haunted!) girls school in Vermont, and jumps back in forth in time between the 50s, and 2014. There are new owners of the property who are doing construction and uncover a body. It was a bit slow to grab me, and then got extremely creepy, and I couldn't put it down. Four stars.
There is no justice, Malcolm had told her once, but we stand for it anyway. Justice is the ideal, but justice is not the reality.


I have already started The Shadow Rising (Book Four of The Wheel of Time), because season 2 of the show is already messing with my memory of what happened in books 2 & 3!

38Sakerfalcon
Oct 3, 2023, 8:38 am

>37 clamairy: I REALLY enjoyed that one! Glad you did too!

39Bookmarque
Oct 3, 2023, 11:30 am

The Broken Girls looks intriguing. I put it on a list somewhere...maybe the library (overdrive) or maybe audible. Thanks for the bb.

40Meredy
Oct 3, 2023, 4:00 pm

>37 clamairy: That one got me too. Not by the subject matter but by your strong reaction.

41clamairy
Modifié : Oct 3, 2023, 6:37 pm

>38 Sakerfalcon: Thank you... two years late. I will be reading more of her books. (I might take a break halfway through my Wheel of Time book to read something shorter and scarier.)

>39 Bookmarque: & >40 Meredy: I hope you both enjoy it. It's a lot more involved than I've indicated, but I didn't know how to dish the details without giving anything away.

42libraryperilous
Oct 9, 2023, 5:10 pm

>37 clamairy: Maybe your home is haunted by a Greeble?

43clamairy
Oct 9, 2023, 10:03 pm

>42 libraryperilous: Probably several!

44clamairy
Modifié : Oct 13, 2023, 12:59 pm

I've had a lot of good but time consuming stuff happening in RL. We've had several family gatherings, and I enjoyed a few outings with friends, and one of my brothers was staying with me for much of this week. So I haven't been posting much. Also, I have gotten somewhat stuck about ⅓ of the way through The Shadow Rising. It's good, I'm just not picking it up when I have free time during the day, like I would with a book I was fully immersed in. So, I think I'm going to return the eBook and get on the wait-list to borrow the audiobook. (I don't want to spend an Audible credit on any version that isn't narrated by Rosamund Pike). In the meantime, I think I'm going to borrow something suitably creepy.

45Karlstar
Oct 13, 2023, 2:18 pm

>44 clamairy: It is just me, or does the TV show feel like it is setting up to pretty much entirely skip book 4?

46clamairy
Oct 13, 2023, 2:27 pm

>45 Karlstar: They might squish it all into one episode. :(

47Karlstar
Oct 13, 2023, 2:46 pm

>46 clamairy: I looked last week and I read that one in 2021 to get ready for the show, not knowing at the time they'd take so long to get season two out. Have you read New Spring?

48clamairy
Modifié : Oct 14, 2023, 7:28 am

>47 Karlstar: I have not. Am I missing anything?

49Karlstar
Oct 13, 2023, 10:46 pm

>49 Karlstar: I think you are at the right spot to read that one, especially with the focus on Lan and Moiraine in season 2. It is basically the story of how she started her quest and met Lan. One of my favorite books of the series.
It was originally published between book 10 and book 11, after Jordan wrote a short story/novella for the Legends collection. No reason to wait that long though.

50catzteach
Oct 14, 2023, 5:48 pm

Put Broken Girls on my For Later shelf at the library.

Also, my cat sees things that aren’t there all the time. I swear we have a ghost cat in our house that hangs out in the kitchen.

51clamairy
Oct 15, 2023, 8:07 am

>49 Karlstar: Okay, I might try that one. In the meantime I'm going back to listening.

>50 catzteach: I hope you enjoy it.

52MrsLee
Oct 15, 2023, 12:30 pm

>50 catzteach: Cats are what guard us against malicious spirits and fairies that would mess with us otherwise. At least that's what my cats told me.

53clamairy
Oct 15, 2023, 12:39 pm

>52 MrsLee: I think the dog farts were keeping them away, now Belle must be on active duty again!

54MrsLee
Oct 15, 2023, 4:04 pm

>53 clamairy: Haha! If that were the case, one would think my husband would be protection enough, but apparently they become immune to gassing after 32 years in a home.

55clamairy
Oct 15, 2023, 4:50 pm

>54 MrsLee: Bwahaha!!!

56clamairy
Modifié : Oct 15, 2023, 6:05 pm



I finished listening to Fossil Men: The Quest for the Oldest Skeleton and the Origins of Humankind, and I almost deducted a half of a star because the narrator appears to have attended the William Shatner School of Elocution. The delivery was oddly choppy, with some words bunched together and longer pauses than needed in between. I got used to it, so it wasn't as distracting. The book itself was a bit of a shock. I remember in Bill Bryson's A Short History of Nearly Everything he talked about how cutthroat the archaeologists in the 'old days' were. Things haven't changed much, at least not in the study of physical anthropology. Tim D. White's team discovered the fossil remains of 'Ardi'- the most complete skeleton found so far of a proposed human ancestor. She dates from 4.4 million years ago. It took decades for her to be accepted by those who make these decisions. Everyone seemed to be in love with 'Lucy' who lived about 3.2 million years ago. Apparently Dr. White was abrasive and because of all the wars and revolutions in Ethiopia no one was able to see much of 'Ardi' for many years. There are now older fossils, but none as complete as this one.

57clamairy
Oct 15, 2023, 6:17 pm



I snagged The Night Hawks from OverDrive for my Kindle, and finished it in 24 hours. I have enjoyed this series immensely, and now there are only two left. :o( This one was excellent, with a Bronze Age skeleton found, and various other people turning up dead. There is also a large black dog on the loose which may or may not be the Black Shuck*. I've gotten very attached to many of the regular characters in this series.

* It's a real thing! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Shuck

58foggidawn
Oct 16, 2023, 10:05 am

>57 clamairy: Yes, I enjoyed some of the mystery plots in that series more than others, but I kept coming back to it because I was so involved with the characters.

59MrsLee
Oct 16, 2023, 11:29 am

>57 clamairy: I had a vivid dream with the Black Shuck in it, I was trying to get my brothers, sons and husband away to a l place of safety from the beach when I saw it. I had the feeling I was missing someone. The next day I found out the the man who had been the gardener at our house since my grandmother's time, 40 years, had drowned at his house. I don't much care for prophetic dreams.

60clamairy
Modifié : Oct 16, 2023, 11:39 am

>59 MrsLee: Oh, yikes! I've had a few of those over the years*, and I don't appreciate them much either. They rarely seem to tell me when something good is going to happen.

*None included the Black Shuck.

61clamairy
Modifié : Oct 16, 2023, 1:06 pm

>58 foggidawn: Can you think of any other series with a main character like Ruth? I just love her so much. I especially identify with her when she shows up for an event, and immediately thinks she's under dressed, or is trying to hide her hands, because she just came from a dig. LOL

62foggidawn
Oct 16, 2023, 1:16 pm

>61 clamairy: I can't think of any off the top of my head. If anyone else can, I'd definitely be interested!

63jillmwo
Oct 16, 2023, 3:19 pm

>57 clamairy: I have never encountered stories before about the Black Shuck. The Night Hawks sounds intriguing. And some part of me is wondering why I've never read anything by her before.

64pgmcc
Oct 16, 2023, 3:45 pm

>59 MrsLee:
Not a dream I would like to have.
HUGS!

65Marissa_Doyle
Oct 17, 2023, 10:03 am

>63 jillmwo: The hound in The Hound of the Baskervilles is a littermate of the Black Shuck. For some reason, there are extensive stories about spectral or demonic black dogs in the Dartmoor region as well.

66clamairy
Modifié : Oct 17, 2023, 11:25 am

>63 jillmwo: They are entertaining. I'm not sure if she's a match for you, but borrow the first one (The Crossing Places) from OverDrive and give it a shot.

>65 Marissa_Doyle: It's always amazing to me how different parts of the world, and even different parts of individual countries have their own myths and legends of the supernatural. Here in the Northeast the idea of ghost ships were a big thing when I was little. When I got a little older it was the hookman stories. Now I am reading Sparrow Hill Road by Seanan McGuire and learning all about the various types of road ghosts in the US. It's fascinating and very entertaining stuff.

67Marissa_Doyle
Oct 17, 2023, 11:31 am

>66 clamairy: There's a semi-famous (and very eerie) one in my general area--the Rte. 44 hitchhiker in Rehoboth, MA. I need to see if I have that McGuire in my Nook...

68clamairy
Modifié : Oct 17, 2023, 12:09 pm

>67 Marissa_Doyle: Oh, that's very cool. I seem to recall there was a woman in white on the road in Connecticut somewhere.

I don't know what I was expecting with the book, but this isn't it. This is so much better. The only thing I've read by her before was Every Heart a Doorway. Her writing style is kind of unusual and I greatly appreciate it.

69clamairy
Modifié : Oct 18, 2023, 9:48 pm



I just finished Scalzi's Starter Villain as read by Wil Wheaton. Wonderful stuff. I threw an extra half of a star at it, because it's not often something that is pure fun crosses my path. I want one of those cats. Maybe...

Up next is the Audio of The Ghost and Mrs. Muir, which is free to Audible subscribers. It looks to be only about four hours long. Was that book a novella? (I looked it up. It's 198 pages.)

70Karlstar
Oct 18, 2023, 9:39 pm

>69 clamairy: I should have picked up Starter Villain already, thanks for the confirmation that it is worth it!

71clamairy
Oct 18, 2023, 9:50 pm

>70 Karlstar: You're welcome. Narilka shot me between the eyes with that bullet. Not that I put up much of a fight.

72MrsLee
Modifié : Oct 19, 2023, 1:06 am

>69 clamairy: I loved the movie of The Ghost and Mrs. Muir. Didn't know there was a book.

73clamairy
Oct 19, 2023, 6:53 am

>72 MrsLee: I read it as a teen, I believe. The movie was a close adaptation. The TV show was not!

74jillmwo
Oct 19, 2023, 9:43 am

>72 MrsLee: and >73 clamairy: It's a nice book. Worthwhile reading.

75clamairy
Oct 19, 2023, 11:22 am

>74 jillmwo: I remember it with fondness. I am hoping the Suck Fairy doesn't pay a visit.

76Meredy
Oct 20, 2023, 8:37 pm

>69 clamairy: I read Starter Villain last week and thoroughly enjoyed it. Those cats were great. Not to mention the startlingly new take on dolphins.

77clamairy
Oct 21, 2023, 8:07 am

>76 Meredy: Yes, I saw your comments. You seemed surprised to have enjoyed something of such little substance quite so much. His take on dolphins was perfect. Whenever I would have a conversation with my daughter about how smart they are, she would tell me how horrible they are to each other.

78clamairy
Modifié : Oct 21, 2023, 10:05 pm



Sparrow Hill Road was a very pleasant surprise. I found it on one of the many lists of ghostly books here on LT, and since I recognized the author's name and the rating was high I snagged it from OverDrive. I recommend this one if you don't mind a timeline that hops back and forth between the 1950s and somewhat more recent times. I was completely unfamiliar with the kinds of entities she talks about - route witches, women in white, hitchhikers, etc. That shouldn't be a surprise because it turns out that Seanan McGuire has created them all, or, more accurately, she just gave them their proper names. Many of them are very familiar. This is mostly the tale of Rose Marshall, who dies on her way to her prom, but it's also about America's love affair with roads.

Four stars from me, but I will wait a while before I continue with the series. I do like her writing style, though it can be a bit overwhelming at times.
Then again, stories and journeys are the same thing, aren’t they? Every one of them begins somewhere, trembling and frightened, like a green-clad ghost-girl who doesn’t even realize yet that she’s left her body in the burning wreck behind her. Every one of them moves onward from that point, little ghosts growing up to become full-fledged urban legends, letting their legs and their longings carry them from one side of the American ghostroads to the other.

But there is a bit of Humor!
Scrooge was right about one thing: most spectral visitations are actually dreams or indigestion.


Oh, I have to add that there is a large black ghost dog in this books as well!
Maggy Dhu - Black ghost dogs capable of taking on physical form. They can weigh over two hundred pounds, and their bite is deadly to the living.
Wikipedia refers to this beastie as the Moddey Dhoo.

79clamairy
Modifié : Oct 21, 2023, 10:08 pm



The Ghost and Mrs. Muir was good fun, and a very pleasant spooky distraction from reality. It was nice to see that Lucy Muir developed a spine, pretty much out of the blue, when she decided to get out of the grasp of her in-laws and rent haunted Gull Cottage. She becomes besties with Captain Greg's ghost, and things proceed from there. I'd forgotten about the ill-fated romance with that nasty man the captain tricked her into meeting. That was a bit depressing. But the rest was humorous and charming.

I did find it fascinating that Martha, who was only two years younger, was still doing everything for Lucy, while she got to sit by the fire and knit. It seems Martha, despite being of the serving class (or, perhaps because of it) had much better genes.

So it seems that R.A. Dick was a pseudonym for Josephine Leslie, who wrote another book called The Devil and Mrs. Devine. It must be very rare as there are only 12 LT members with this one. A crappy paperback copy is almost $65!

80jillmwo
Oct 22, 2023, 9:54 am

>79 clamairy: I think one of the best lines in The Ghost and Mrs Muir is when Cyril -- the priggish son -- asks his mother "Are you displaying your naked mind in this book?" Now there's a question that any interviewer might wish to ask of an author on-air!

81clamairy
Oct 22, 2023, 10:36 am

>80 jillmwo: Yes, that was awesome! Poor Cyril. He spent too much time with that aunt of his as a child.

82clamairy
Modifié : Oct 25, 2023, 8:31 pm



Ghost Stories: Stephen Fry's Definitive Collection was such good fun. Of course, some of the stories were much better than others.

The tales were:
The Legend of Sleepy Hollow by Washington Irving
Lost Hearts by M.R. James
Was It an Illusion? by Amelia B. Edwards
The Body Snatcher by Robert Louis Stevenson
The Empty House by Algernon Blackwood
William Wilson by Edgar Alan Poe
The Open Door by Charlotte Riddell
The Judge's House by Bram Stoker

The best were the Washington Irving, the M. R. James, the Robert Lewis Stephenson and the Bram Stoker. My least favorite was the Edgar Allen Poe, believe it or not. All of these vintage creepy tales as read by Stephen Fry... what's not love?

I got about one hour into the audiobook for The Witches: Salem, 1692 and it was so dry that I bailed. I'm going to try the free Audible M.R. James collection of Ghost Stories. It's less than three hours long.

83clamairy
Oct 26, 2023, 8:30 am

I'm sharing this article on where I live as a gift, no paywall. If you don't have time to read it just look at the photos:
36 Hours on the North Fork, Long Island https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/10/26/travel/things-to-do-north-fork-ne...

84hfglen
Modifié : Oct 26, 2023, 10:45 am

>83 clamairy: For no particular reason, the pictures in the article remind me of Knysna in the Western Cape. Thank you for sharing!

ETA: I have just added a picture of Knysna to my thread, to give a comparison.

85Karlstar
Oct 26, 2023, 4:59 pm

>83 clamairy: Looks like a great area for a weekend getaway.

86NorthernStar
Oct 26, 2023, 9:36 pm

>83 clamairy: thanks for sharing - it makes me want to go there for a visit!

87MrAndrew
Oct 27, 2023, 4:48 am

Clamming 101
First rule of clamming. Don’t tell people where you go clamming.

Be vague. Mysterious. Secret.

Quahogs are the type of clam we dig from our bays, latin name: mercenaria mercenaria.

oops. chow-der secrets uncovered.

88Sakerfalcon
Oct 27, 2023, 8:24 am

>83 clamairy: You live in such a beautiful area!

89pgmcc
Oct 27, 2023, 10:36 am

>83 clamairy:
Lovely pictures. I also found the restaurant listings interesting. Are there any on the list that you would recommend?

90clamairy
Oct 29, 2023, 5:16 pm

>89 pgmcc: The ones on the list are hard to get into on weekends, and that is when I usually have guests. I have had cocktails at the speakeasy mentioned in the article, (Brix & Rye) and it's very atmospheric! My daughter and I recently discovered this place: https://littlecreekoysters.com/ This tiny eatery is in the town of Greenport, and you have to sneak down a pedestrians only side street called Bootleg Alley to get to it. The outdoor deck is on the water. We stuffed ourselves on raw oysters.

91clamairy
Oct 29, 2023, 5:19 pm

>88 Sakerfalcon: But wait, there's more good news!
I shared this as a gift, so there should be no paywall. If you haven't already watched this on my Facebook page it's worth the minute or so to watch:
https://www.facebook.com/reel/1393470971570999?mibextid=rOLkBb

92pgmcc
Oct 29, 2023, 5:34 pm

>90 clamairy:
The oyster place sounds nice. There is an oyster festival in Galway every year. It is traditional to have your oysters washed down with a pint of Guinness.

>91 clamairy: I watched that on you Facebook page. It is a super video and looks like good news for the environment.

93clamairy
Oct 29, 2023, 7:11 pm

>92 pgmcc: There was an Oyster Fest in Greenport a few weeks ago. I went with one of my buddies, and she brought her own wine but I was enjoying one of the IPAs from the Greenport Harbor Brewing Co. The only mistake I made that day was to get an order of grilled oysters just to taste. They were not as good as the raw ones at all. I think we each ate several dozen raw ones.

94MrAndrew
Oct 30, 2023, 2:30 am

Four other Oysters followed them,
And yet another four;
And thick and fast they came at last,
And more, and more, and more —

95Sakerfalcon
Oct 30, 2023, 9:27 am

>91 clamairy: That is wonderful news! What amazing footage of the cetaceans!

96jillmwo
Oct 30, 2023, 7:08 pm

>94 MrAndrew: Because one good quote deserves another...


O Oysters,' said the Carpenter,
You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none —
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one."

97clamairy
Oct 30, 2023, 7:22 pm

>94 MrAndrew: & >96 jillmwo: This is one my favorite Lewis Caroll poem.

>92 pgmcc: & >95 Sakerfalcon: You have no idea how happy I am about this.

98clamairy
Modifié : Oct 30, 2023, 7:28 pm



I needed more scary stuff. (But not too scary!) I found Ghost Stories, Volume One by M. R. James, as read by Derek Jacobi, and it was free on Audible. Not bad. These haven't aged all that well, but still good for this time of year.

99clamairy
Oct 30, 2023, 7:36 pm



Gobbelino London & a Contagion of Zombies was a lot of fun. It's feel good zombie fluff, if there can be such a thing. These books remind me a bit of Legends & Lattes, but the main character is a talking cat. A cat that I love, BTW. I will wait a while for the 3rd one.

100clamairy
Modifié : Oct 30, 2023, 7:55 pm



It's getting very close to Samhain and I wanted something creepy but not terrifying to round out the end of the month and bring me smack into the time of year when they say the veil between the worlds is the thinnest. So I went for the next to last book in Elly Griffiths' Ruth Galloway series, The Locked Room. Good stuff. Only one more book to go, and I've already started it.

I have read or listened to 91 books so far this year. Hoping to make to 100 for the first time since I was a teenager.

101MrsLee
Oct 31, 2023, 12:27 pm

>98 clamairy: Thank you for the heads up on that! I recently read those, but having Derek Jacobi read them to me sounds great! They are now in my library.

102clamairy
Oct 31, 2023, 3:35 pm

>101 MrsLee: Enjoy! It's very short, but I'm pretty sure there is a second 'volume.'

103Narilka
Oct 31, 2023, 8:26 pm

>99 clamairy: The third one is just as much fun. Glad you're still enjoying the series :)

104Bookmarque
Modifié : Nov 1, 2023, 1:11 pm

So hey Clam, since you hit me with The Broken Girls recently, I figured I'd shoot back, albeit with blanks since this is part of the First Reads program on Amazon and is free with Prime I think -

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BRBP2142/ref=kf_lp_desktop_cv_7

The marketing speak mentions Simone St. James so it might be fun.

105clamairy
Nov 1, 2023, 3:56 pm

>104 Bookmarque: Oh, that looks good! Kind of my 'stomping ground,' too! Thanks.

106Bookmarque
Nov 1, 2023, 7:10 pm

Happy to be of service. I snagged a copy, too, and will have to stop dealing with video projects and spend some time reading!

107clamairy
Nov 1, 2023, 7:50 pm

>106 Bookmarque: I noticed you haven't been posting any reviews. I hope you're still reading, but too busy with photography to share.

108Bookmarque
Nov 2, 2023, 8:06 am

I've been doing so much audio that I don't keep enough notes to write long reviews for those. When I read a physical or ebook, I do more note taking and so my reviews feel more genuine to me. Things go in phases for me and video production has so many more moving parts and complexity than stills photography that it's a bit consuming just to get over some of the learning curve.

109clamairy
Modifié : Nov 2, 2023, 9:01 am

>108 Bookmarque: The end products are awesome, so you must have been learning a lot.

I rarely do long reviews these days.

110Sakerfalcon
Nov 2, 2023, 9:16 am

>104 Bookmarque: You hit me with that bullet too! Adding to my wishlist.

111Bookmarque
Nov 2, 2023, 9:26 am

Thanks clam. I have a special Halloween one up, but it might not be your cuppa. 8 minutes of a small spider taking down a huge June bug in her web. Filmed for an hour or maybe more and it was fascinating. I love spiders, but know they aren't everyone's favorite creature (although they should be!). I broke down and started using YouTube to host and so you can find it and others here - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKndWzwTozgzjTiJzxSZiZQ

112clamairy
Nov 2, 2023, 12:14 pm

>111 Bookmarque: I will check it out later when I have a bigger chunk of time. I do enjoy watching spiders, and I am definitely not a fan of June bugs. LOL They devastate a lot of my flowering plants here each Summer.

113clamairy
Nov 4, 2023, 4:14 pm

>111 Bookmarque: I finally got to sit and watch it! Very cool. I noticed her abdomen had what appeared to be two slight indentations that almost looked like eyeballs. They only showed up when the light was reflecting enough to highlight them.

114Bookmarque
Nov 4, 2023, 6:22 pm

Glad you liked it. She was working hard that day I tell you. The indentations are a mark of the species, I think, and yeah, she had to be at the right angle to see them. Got some shots of a harvestman the other day -





These are not spiders precisely as they have a unified body structure - like footballs with legs. Collectively they are Opiliones and sometimes called daddy long legs, but these don't have very long legs as some so I just use harvestman.

115Bookmarque
Nov 4, 2023, 6:28 pm

Crap, I forgot I was in YOUR thread. Let me know if you want to edit them out. Sorry.

116clamairy
Nov 4, 2023, 6:46 pm

>115 Bookmarque: Leave it! The photos are awesome!

117Meredy
Nov 6, 2023, 12:20 am

>115 Bookmarque: Can I have a big spider in my thread? Got anything in blue?

118MrAndrew
Nov 6, 2023, 3:14 am

Hmmmm. Ma'am, i'm sorry to tell you, you appear to have a spider infestation in this thread.

I, for one, bow to our pseudo-arachnoid overlords.

119Bookmarque
Nov 6, 2023, 8:22 am

>117 Meredy: Hm...blue? Well I could fake it. Otherwise I have a lovely yellow crab spider if you want. The picture is big, but the spider is teeny.

120Sakerfalcon
Nov 6, 2023, 9:34 am

>115 Bookmarque: Hahahahaha! This is the best thread hijack ever!

121Bookmarque
Modifié : Nov 6, 2023, 9:51 am

Well, continuing on with some more views of our tiny football with legs -





It's about 1 inch across with the longest legs.

122clamairy
Nov 6, 2023, 10:21 am

It's a good thing I like spiders! When I find them inside I always catch them and put them back outside. And there are a few in some of the corners of the basement that I have just left where they are, because they take care of all those other bugs that sneak inside.

123Meredy
Nov 6, 2023, 5:08 pm

>122 clamairy: I rescue spiders too. I keep a firm card (like the ones from real estate agents or politicians) and an empty prescription bottle in several places for a quick capture and then release outdoors. Sometimes with the teeny ones, I just pick them up by the thread and relocate them to a houseplant. Yesterday one of those dropped onto my glasses and walked around on the lens for a bit before I realized what was disrupting my vision.

The only ones I show no mercy to are the thick-bodied black ones. I don't rescue those. They can just stay out of my bedroom.

>119 Bookmarque: The yellow one sounds just great. Eagerly awaiting!

124clamairy
Modifié : Nov 6, 2023, 5:30 pm

I found this lady between my basement door and the storm door. I have a special bug catching gadget I bought on Amazon that has a magnifying glass built into the part that holds the bug. So I got a nice close up. She was at least an inch from leg tip to leg tip, if not more, though the magnifier makes her look even bigger. It's not the best quality. There was some reflection from the flash. I moved her outside to my Juniper bush.



125Bookmarque
Nov 6, 2023, 6:34 pm

I love it! I might just have to get one. I do the scoop on cardboard or herd into a small box routine all the time, but I can't really see my captures unless I get my hand lens. This is so much more convenient.

Oh and go check your thread, Meredy!

126MrsLee
Nov 6, 2023, 7:07 pm

>142 Bookmarque: That may not be a book bullet, but Amazon thanks you. I hope to have good show and tells with my grandson.

127clamairy
Modifié : Nov 6, 2023, 7:25 pm

>125 Bookmarque: & >126 MrsLee: My son saw it in action when he was visiting, then I had to send one to his Condo. It does not work as well on smaller bugs, because they can escape while you're trying to close the hatch.

Here's the link to the gadget: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000JQ5AZK?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

I love that it says that it's for "spider, children and adults."

128clamairy
Modifié : Nov 6, 2023, 7:54 pm

Back to books. :o)



I decided to just read the last of the Ruth Galloway books, and not wait any longer. The Last Remains was another solid read, and a very satisfying end to the series. I am extremely sad to see the last of Ruth, but I am happy with where/how she was left.

I have started Making it So, by Sir Patrick Stewart and so far it's simply awesome. I have always had a thing for him.

I am listening to Martin Short's book, I Must Say: My Life as a Humble Comedy Legend. It is both touching and hilarious.

129clamairy
Modifié : Nov 12, 2023, 12:55 pm



Martin Short's I Must Say was both hilarious and touching. I snagged this from Audible because I have become a rabid fan of the series Only Murders in the Building on HULU. I really knew nothing about him, and was only vaguely familiar with the stuff he did decades ago. He is remarkable funny and upbeat (at least in his book) despite having lost a lot of the people he loved before their time. This was written in 2007, so he doesn't mention any of his more recent projects. I am sure there are a few strangers out there who think I am deranged having passed me while I was laughing myself silly either while doing yard work or driving. This one is narrated by the author so there are a ton of impressions (his Kate Hepburn is fantastic!) and even a few songs.

I have started listening to John Green's Looking for Alaska.

130Karlstar
Nov 12, 2023, 4:42 pm

>129 clamairy: That sounds tempting! Are you saying you aren't a fan of The Three Amigos?

131clamairy
Modifié : Nov 12, 2023, 9:45 pm

>130 Karlstar: I was! But I have not watched it for 35+ years.

132Karlstar
Nov 13, 2023, 5:49 am

>131 clamairy: Same here and I suspect I should not watch it again. We are big fans of Only Murders in the Building, but my family has always been big Steve Martin fans.

133clamairy
Nov 13, 2023, 3:15 pm

>132 Karlstar: Yes, I expected Steve to be the funniest one on the show, and was surprised to find Martin to be the one who made me laugh the most. I just finished Season 3 the other night. Great stuff.

134Meredy
Nov 18, 2023, 2:54 am

>128 clamairy: Is Patrick Stewart's book a memoir?

135AHS-Wolfy
Nov 18, 2023, 6:42 am

>134 Meredy: yes, a recently released one.

136clamairy
Modifié : Nov 18, 2023, 10:18 am

>134 Meredy: & >135 AHS-Wolfy: Yes, and it's wonderful! I finally finished it last night, or should I say early this morning. I will be posting a mini review in a bit.

137clamairy
Nov 18, 2023, 7:09 pm



Audible was having a two-fer sale, so I snagged Looking for Alaska by John Green as read by Wil Wheaton without checking to see what it was about. I enjoyed it quite a bit. I'd been totally disarmed by it starting out like a simple tale of teen angst, only to find it's about coming to terms with tragic loss.

138clamairy
Nov 18, 2023, 7:17 pm



What can I say about almost 500 pages worth of Making It So: A Memoir by Patrick Stewart? I would have given it 5 stars if it had been just slightly shorter, but I don't know what could have been removed. There is A LOT of detail in here. I don't want to give much away, but his childhood was not idyllic. He struggled with self-doubt quite a bit, too, but he seems to have finally gotten over that!

I am very glad I spent the time on this, but I suspect the audio book read by Sir Pat himself would be a better route to go.

Highly recommended for both fans of all things Shakespearean or the British theater in general, and/or fans of Star Trek:TNG. (Also fans of The X-Men.)

139clamairy
Nov 18, 2023, 7:27 pm

I am currently reading System Collapse by Martha Wells (YES!) and listening to The Shadow Rising read by Kate Reading & Michael Kramer. She's pretty good. I am not loving him. He sounds bored. After I am done with this I might wait for Rosamund Pike to catch up with her narrations. I don't think I have it in me to actually read these with my eyeballs, but they are great fun to listen to.

140Karlstar
Nov 19, 2023, 9:44 am

>138 clamairy: You've got me tempted with Making it So, but I think first I have to read My Effin' Life.

141clamairy
Nov 19, 2023, 10:52 am

>140 Karlstar: Enjoy. I await your review because I'll be skipping that one. It's not that I'm not interested, there are just too many other books I'm more interested in.

142Bookmarque
Modifié : Nov 19, 2023, 10:56 am

Isn't it common wisdom that there are no female Rush fans? LOL.

143clamairy
Modifié : Nov 19, 2023, 11:01 am

>142 Bookmarque: LOL I will admit they are not very high on my list of favorites. (In fact they aren't on it at all.)

144Bookmarque
Modifié : Nov 19, 2023, 11:06 am

I won't turn them off if they come on the radio, but prior to meeting my husband, there were no Rush albums in my possession. They're his favorite band and symbol of his own distinct nerdiness which, oddly runs to Monty Python, but not to Hitchhiker's guide. A musical symbol of my nerdiness is Primus, a band he can tolerate for short periods, and I totally revel in anything Adams. Funny how things go. We both find it interesting that the polarization of our musical nerdiness - Rush and Primus - each have MOST outstanding bassists who are the bands' singers and who have such distinct styles that they are both instantly recognizable.

145clamairy
Nov 19, 2023, 2:32 pm

>144 Bookmarque: I had to use Google to learn about Primus, so...

146Karlstar
Modifié : Nov 19, 2023, 3:11 pm

>142 Bookmarque: It is, but in this case not true. I've been to Rush concerts, I've seen them! However, it wasn't a 50/50 split.

I commend your husband on his good taste in prog rock.

147Bookmarque
Nov 19, 2023, 3:22 pm

Primus is definitely an acquired taste, but I love it and pretty much all things Les Claypool.

148catzteach
Nov 21, 2023, 8:52 pm

Oh, you hit me with both Martin Short and Patrick Stewart!

149clamairy
Nov 21, 2023, 9:41 pm

>148 catzteach: I hope you enjoy them.

150MrAndrew
Nov 22, 2023, 6:49 am

That sounds dirty.

151clamairy
Nov 22, 2023, 6:59 am

152clamairy
Modifié : Nov 22, 2023, 8:31 am

Shared as a gift:

New York Times 100 Notable Books of 2023 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/11/21/books/notable-books.html?unlocked...

I have only read one* of the fiction books, although I started a couple of the others and bailed. I started two of the nonfiction books, and bailed on both of them.

*Tom Lake

153Karlstar
Nov 22, 2023, 10:17 am

>147 Bookmarque: Ok, you got me, I will check out some Primus.

154Darth-Heather
Nov 22, 2023, 10:36 am

>153 Karlstar: A lot of people will recommend starting with "Sailing the Seas of Cheese", which is a good intro to their style, but I prefer Pork Soda as a better representation of their evolution as musicians. Both are quite weird, and fairly polarizing to most listeners :D

155Bookmarque
Nov 22, 2023, 10:53 am

>154 Darth-Heather: OMG, I go that way too! Pork Soda is the bomb - my favorite. Just so heavy and groovy and trippy. Cheese though, has Tommy the Cat and Jerry was a Racecar Driver so...there's that. It's all so great.

156clamairy
Nov 22, 2023, 11:39 am

Did I read the word 'cheese'...

157Karlstar
Nov 22, 2023, 11:46 am

>154 Darth-Heather: >155 Bookmarque: Ok, thanks for the recommendations, so far listened to Jerry Was A Race Car Driver and The Devil Went Down to Georgia, which was a decent cover.

158Darth-Heather
Nov 22, 2023, 11:50 am

>155 Bookmarque: cool! Have you also been listening to Claypool Lennon Delirium? I've delved into "South of Reality" a bit but still getting the hang of what they are doing. I liked Sean Lennon when he was with Cibo Matto - it added a nice synth keyboard complement to their original sound. He's very talented, and its an interesting mix with Claypool.

159ScoLgo
Nov 22, 2023, 12:32 pm

160Bookmarque
Modifié : Nov 22, 2023, 12:41 pm

I'm afraid I haven't been in sync w/Les's latest stuff, although I probably should check out the Rush tribute thing...he and Geddy have SO MUCH in common, yet are so different in approaches and style. I'll also have to check out Delirium. Claypool can basically adapt to so many styles that it's no wonder tons of people want to jam with him. One of my dreams, which is not possible now without a resurrection, was to have a Les Claypool/Warren Zevon collaboration. Think of the lyrical possibilities!!!

Oh and the tribute to Rush thing reminds me that I think it's Frog Brigade Live Frogs 2 that is a complete note-for-note concert of Pink Floyd's Animals which is my favorite Floyd record. It's awesome.

161Karlstar
Nov 22, 2023, 9:28 pm

>159 ScoLgo: Nice, thank you!

>156 clamairy: Sorry for hijacking your thread.

162pgmcc
Nov 23, 2023, 6:49 am

clamairy, have a Happy Thanksgiving. I hope your day is everything you want it to be.

163jillmwo
Nov 23, 2023, 8:03 am

Wishing you a Happy Thanksgiving!

164clamairy
Modifié : Nov 23, 2023, 8:05 am

>161 Karlstar: No worries. I did try listening to some Primus yesterday morning. I didn't last long. LOL

>162 pgmcc: Thank you! I hope your daughter and her family have a wonderful day as well.

>163 jillmwo: Thank you! The same to you.

And Happy Thanksgiving to all of the rest of you who celebrate it!

165Karlstar
Nov 23, 2023, 10:37 am

>164 clamairy: Happy Thanksgiving! I did give Primus a decent listen, but I have to admit I was more interested in their Rush covers than anything else.

166Meredy
Nov 23, 2023, 4:28 pm

>152 clamairy: Thanks for the list. I haven't read any of them, but several are calling my name. Which did you ditch?

167Narilka
Nov 23, 2023, 6:24 pm

Happy Thanksgiving!

168clamairy
Nov 24, 2023, 7:56 am

>167 Narilka: I hope your day was awesome!

I ditched The Luminaries and Monsters, and I'll have to look at the list again for the 3rd. LOL

169pgmcc
Nov 24, 2023, 8:24 am

>168 clamairy:
Sorry to hear The Luminaries did not work for you, but delighted you ditched it when you were not enjoying it.

>164 clamairy:
My daughter had a great Thanksgiving, thank you.

170clamairy
Modifié : Nov 26, 2023, 7:56 pm



System Collapse lived up to my ridiculously high expectations! Murderbot becomes more human and relatable with each book in the series. Thank you, Martha Wells.

171libraryperilous
Nov 30, 2023, 11:02 am

>170 clamairy: I'm saving this one for a few more days. I found this info delightful:

"my favorite question of the night: would you consider Murderbot and ART's relationship to be a romance? She said yes, definitely: it's an asexual, aromantic romance."

Reporting from LT member curioussquared's 75ers thread.

172clamairy
Nov 30, 2023, 1:19 pm

>171 libraryperilous: Oh, that's awesome, and I can definitely see that being the case. But then what is the difference between a deep friendship and an asexual aromantic romance? I know there is one, but to put that distinction into words escapes me.

1732wonderY
Nov 30, 2023, 1:47 pm

It’s the frisson of liking and disliking at the same time.

174pgmcc
Nov 30, 2023, 2:37 pm

>173 2wonderY:
“I luv ya, but can’t stand the stink of ya!”

Like that?

175clamairy
Nov 30, 2023, 7:38 pm

>173 2wonderY: Yes. I see it!
>174 pgmcc: Ha!

176clamairy
Nov 30, 2023, 7:50 pm



Bookshops and Bonedust was good fun. I think I enjoyed the first book just slightly more. I especially loved Fern the ratkin bookshop owner who seemed to be able to discern exactly what books her customers needed to read. I'm still slogging through the audiobook of The Shadow Rising. I actually had to print out one of the maps from Tor for this series. Just about nothing was where I thought it was supposed to be.

I don't know what I'm reading next. I'm at 97 books read or listened to for the year.

177libraryperilous
Nov 30, 2023, 10:22 pm

>176 clamairy: The Epilogue was my favorite part, because it opens up the chance for more of Fern!

178Meredy
Nov 30, 2023, 11:13 pm

On the strength of comments made in this neighborhood, I'm trying out the first of the Murderbot series. Is there something I ought to know up front to help me get into it?

179Karlstar
Déc 1, 2023, 5:03 am

>176 clamairy: I can understand the map part, the locations of Tear and Tanchico always escape my brain.

180MrAndrew
Déc 1, 2023, 6:30 am

>178 Meredy: yes. You'll be sad when you finish the available books.

181clamairy
Déc 1, 2023, 9:10 am

>179 Karlstar: I thought of you when I was printing it. This is one area where ebook reading completely fails. The emaps aren't much help.

182clamairy
Modifié : Déc 1, 2023, 9:12 am

>178 Meredy: Are you have trouble getting into the first book?

>180 MrAndrew: Ha!!!

183clamairy
Modifié : Déc 1, 2023, 3:39 pm

>177 libraryperilous: I just assumed he would keep going, perhaps now in multiple directions!

184Meredy
Déc 1, 2023, 9:04 pm

>182 clamairy: Yes. I keep forgetting what I've read, and the fact that our bot doesn't care about anything makes it hard to attach my interest somewhere. How long before I see something to invest in?

185clamairy
Déc 2, 2023, 8:04 am

>184 Meredy: I got hooked right away. Murderbot is like an angsty teen at this point, acting like it doesn't care, but caring deeply, especially about its favorite series, Sanctuary Moon.

If you're not enjoying it I would set it aside and try again another time.

186clamairy
Modifié : Déc 4, 2023, 7:43 pm



Phew! The Shadow Rising took all three weeks of the Libby loan to finish. I believe I returned it about 8 hours before it was due. As I mentioned before there were two people narrating this, and while I enjoyed the woman, I was not thrilled with the man. It was recorded almost 30 years ago and the pronunciations are different from both the TV series and Rosamund Pike's audio books. (Which are consistent.) I don't think I will listen to any more until the new narrations catch up. (Or I might break down and read the fifth one.)

I did enjoy it, and I am interested in what is happening, but now we're covering three distinct story arcs. And I think I still have 11 books to go... 😵‍💫

187Karlstar
Déc 4, 2023, 10:49 pm

>186 clamairy: At least you are now solidly ahead of the TV series, so you have plenty of time. I'm really wondering how they are going to handle the next couple of seasons, they can't just do one book per season.

188clamairy
Déc 5, 2023, 10:57 am

>187 Karlstar: I don't even think they can do two books per season and make it work, if they only air them every two years. Rand and crew will be around 40! (They won't be done until 2035 at this pace.)

189clamairy
Modifié : Déc 7, 2023, 8:33 am

I DNFed two books in the last week. What You are Looking for is in the Library sounded great, but wasn't working for me, and Erotic Stories for Punjabi Widows, which had a couple of characters I had trouble liking.

Because of the miracle of Kindle connectivity while I was reading in bed last night I was able to return one book, and download The Forgotten Beasts of Eld in a matter of seconds. That is wonderful so far.

I'm also finishing up Connie Willis' A Lot Like Christmas, which is a Christmas SciFi short story collection. I started it last December, and didn't finish it because it was too much of a good thing.

190foggidawn
Déc 7, 2023, 9:12 am

>189 clamairy: Ooh, A Lot Like Christmas sounds like fun! I already have some holiday-themed reads checked out, but if I run through them and want more, I'll give that a look.

191clamairy
Déc 7, 2023, 9:25 am

>190 foggidawn: I hope you get to it, and that you enjoy it. Most of the stories are absolutely hilarious and/or heartwarming.

I have to check out your current reading list. I have trouble finding decent holiday reads, because I don't want anything overtly religious. The book I read about Dickens last year was awesome, the one I read about Longfellow was just okay.

192foggidawn
Déc 7, 2023, 9:44 am

>191 clamairy: I have The Christmas Appeal by Janice Hallett checked out, which is a mystery novella set in a community theatre group, and Small Things Like These by Claire Keegan. I also checked out In A Holidaze by Christina Lauren for a holiday romance.

193clamairy
Déc 7, 2023, 10:13 am

>192 foggidawn: Thank you! I tried looking for the 'currently reading' collection in your library and came up empty-handed.

194foggidawn
Déc 7, 2023, 10:24 am

>193 clamairy: Yeah, I don't tend to use that collection, as I don't enter things into LT until I've finished reading them.

195clamairy
Déc 7, 2023, 12:19 pm

>194 foggidawn: Yes, we all use collections differently. In my case if I don't add the Kindle books I've bought I might not remember to read them.

196jillmwo
Modifié : Déc 7, 2023, 2:24 pm

>192 foggidawn: I have tossed in A Christmas Appeal into my Amazon cart where I will spend time determining its appeal. I like novellas these days. They're manageable. (One of my book groups just decided that we'd read something in two chunks rather than reading it across four months as originally agreed. It was most disconcerting to see that I might need to shoehorn in another 128 pages in the coming 48 hours.)

>195 clamairy: I periodically go into the Kindle Library of my device to scrutinize the titles I've not yet read. It is a kind of reservoir of "fluffy stuff" when I'm stuck.

197clamairy
Modifié : Déc 7, 2023, 2:35 pm

>196 jillmwo: I've done that too, but then Amazon decides I must buy something new to read and keep suggesting stuff similar to the titles I was looking at on my device. Plus I can sort my Kindle titles by LibraryThing ratings, and find the 4+ rated ones more easily.

I am sure I have asked you this before, but don't you ever borrow Kindle books to read?

198jillmwo
Déc 7, 2023, 3:28 pm

>197 clamairy: I don't borrow much of anything through the local library because I frankly no longer fit the demographic they believe they serve. (It's a long saga of frustration having to do with funding levels, availability via the local county system, and their idea of collection management.) I do upon occasion borrow via Prime Reading.

199clamairy
Modifié : Déc 7, 2023, 3:43 pm

>198 jillmwo: This makes me sad for a number of reasons. I borrow books for my Kindle hand over fist, but I understand not everyone has that option. When I lived in Northern Connecticut my library belonged to a small consortium of libraries. Sometimes by the time a book showed up on my Kindle I had no memory of requesting it because six months (or more) had gone by. I never seem to wait more than a few weeks here, but this county library system is enormous. (And a lot better funded because of the taxes the people in the Hamptons pay, I suspect. 🤣)

200foggidawn
Modifié : Déc 7, 2023, 4:53 pm

>196 jillmwo: I should mention that there’s a full-length mystery, The Appeal, that features the same characters and setting. I don’t yet know how much The Christmas Appeal relies on knowledge of the earlier book.

201jillmwo
Déc 7, 2023, 5:07 pm

>199 clamairy: I sounded curmudgeonly up there and ought not to. The Delaware County system is tolerable overall, but probably not as well-funded as one might wish. There is only one FULL-TIME employee (the Lib Director) in our township, and I'm sure she's underpaid in terms of whatever the going pay scale is for public libraries these days. All other staff are part-time (in order to avoid having to pay benefits).

The new building (opened just a year before the pandemic fell upon us) was built through grant funding rather than township support and emphasizes event space over actual shelving for books. I know WHY it was handled that way, the financial and philosophical rationale, etc., but I miss libraries being places where one went to browse the shelves for 45 minutes at a time. (Although to be honest, I haven't darkened the door of a Barnes and Noble recently either.) And that's me being a curmudgeon.

The current Director (and we've been through five since my family moved here some 27 years ago) wants to lend out specialty baking pans, museum passes, weed whackers, tools, etc. (which I realize is a welcome service for some percentage of the population). She's trying to build a sense of community in the library and I get it. They do Quizzo nights and scavenger hunts. She supports craft books and kid craft sessions in the library. She also commits a certain percentage of the acquisition budget to shoring up the collection gaps in support of local students.

That said, the new fiction section seems only to consist of some portion of the NYTimes best seller list. Want the Brittany Spears or Matthew Perry celebrity bios? No problem. Want some mid-list author of historical mysteries? You're invited to drive to the next town over to borrow from THEM. (Cooperative collection management is unavoidable in Libraryland these days.) Based on the issues around the cost of libraries licensing ebook access from the Big Five publishers, the whole system may be caught between a rock and a hard place.

Oh, just smack me upside the head for being a cranky old fart. The world changes and I should just suck it up and get with the program.

Please forgive me for ranting on your thread.

202clamairy
Déc 7, 2023, 5:26 pm

>201 jillmwo: I understand completely. It's one of the main reasons that the Kindle holds so much appeal for me. They redid our library after I moved here, and I think probably 50-70% of the books are in storage in a facility a few hundred feet away from the actual library, because they no longer had the shelf space. (To make room for all the meeting areas and special event spaces.) I'm okay with this because the books are still available, you just have to wait until someone pulls them for you. I tend to browse the library catalog online as opposed to actually going in and looking at shelves anyway.

203jillmwo
Modifié : Déc 7, 2023, 7:42 pm

>200 foggidawn: Thanks for the heads up. But I think that the novella holds greater appeal.

>202 clamairy: When you say you browse the library catalog online, do you feel that the scope of descriptive information available to you in that environment is sufficient? Have there been instances where you found the catalog information to be misleading in terms of providing you with an accurate sense of the content?

204clamairy
Modifié : Déc 7, 2023, 8:16 pm

>203 jillmwo: No, I have not. But then I rarely (maybe never?) go looking for anything completely new to me. I'll admit I probably rely too heavily on NY Times and Washington Post reviews and reviews & rating here on LT. I get the NY Times Read Like the Wind email, and I have found a few gems in there. But again I borrow all of those as ebooks. The last time I got a physical book from my library was during Covid.

Even when I go into Barnes & Noble and I see a title I want then I either buy the Kindle copy or borrow it from OverDrive. A lot of this has to do with the fact that I wear contact lenses, making reading the Kindle a much better choice for my eyeballs. The rest has to do with lack of room on my shelves. I still buy cookbooks & gardening how-to books. And every new Tolkien book has to be bought in hardcover!

205Jim53
Déc 7, 2023, 8:54 pm

>189 clamairy: The Willis sounds like fun. I can see why you might not finish it quickly: 518 pages!

Hard to believe you've never read Forgotten Beasts. That was my first McKillip. I think I read it in grad school in the 70s when I should have been reading Kohlberg. I don't remember it very well now; maybe a reread is about due. I certainly remember liking it.

206clamairy
Déc 7, 2023, 9:55 pm

>205 Jim53: I didn't discover McKillip until Jill introduced me to The Book of Atrix Wolfe 10 years ago. I fell in love with the kitchen, and also her writing. I don't know how or why she escaped my attention before that point.

207clamairy
Déc 7, 2023, 9:57 pm

>192 foggidawn: I forgot to mention I have borrowed Small Things Like These from OverDrive.

208foggidawn
Déc 8, 2023, 9:27 am

>207 clamairy: Hope you enjoy it! I really loved the other novella I read by Keegan, so I'm saving that one for a cozy night in with a cup of tea, wrapped up in a blanket with the Christmas tree lights on.

209clamairy
Modifié : Déc 10, 2023, 12:35 pm



I listened to Earthside, which is Book 2 in Dennis E. Taylor's World-Lines/Quantum Earth series. I didn't like this one quite as much as the first, but it's still a great listen. Ray Porter is one of my favorite narrators. If the first book was apocalyptic (Yellowstone erupts), then this one is quasi post-apocalyptic. There are still a lot of people earth-side, but things aren't going well at all. This was my 99th book so far this year.

I started listening to Light from Uncommon Stars, but it's definitely not what I want to listen to right now. I don't know what's up next instead..

210clamairy
Déc 12, 2023, 3:03 pm



Many thanks to karlstar (and whoever else has been praising this one lately) for the nudge to read The Forgotten Beasts of Eld by Patricia A. McKillip. It's not perfect, but damn... This is the 5th book of hers that I have read, and I think I still would give the edge to Od Magic, but this was such a fabulous read for this time of year. (It's almost always Winter in this book.)

I am starting Small Things Like These next.

211clamairy
Modifié : Déc 12, 2023, 6:35 pm



The Christmas Star by Kate Forster was a very entertaining piece of Holiday Fluff (free from Audible with membership) that kept my brain occupied while I was decorating my tree. A quirky movie house manager ends up in a relationship with a film star look-alike. This one was great because of all the tidbits about great holiday movies. Because of this I finally watched The Family Stone, which a bunch of friends have been raving about for years.

I passed the 100 books read/heard for 2023 mark, BTW. My best reading year probably since middle school. LOL

212jillmwo
Déc 12, 2023, 3:37 pm

>211 clamairy: I passed the 100 books read for 2023 mark Congratulations! One is tempted to ask for a mailing address so that you could receive a knitted bookmark as a prize. (Of course, you listen to audiobooks a lot so that might not be quite the award you'd be hoping for or deserve.)

At any rate, I hope the vast majority of that one hundred were enjoyable!!

213clamairy
Modifié : Déc 12, 2023, 6:13 pm

>212 jillmwo: Ha! I don't read paper, so it would not get used. (Not to mention the fact it would have to be really thin to not mess with a book binding.) I no longer keep reading stuff if I'm not enjoying it, so yes the vast majority were very enjoyable... and the ones that weren't were just pretty good!

214pgmcc
Déc 12, 2023, 7:20 pm

>211 clamairy:
Congratulations on passing the 100. Quite an achievement.

215Jim53
Déc 12, 2023, 7:27 pm

100. Wow.

216Karlstar
Déc 12, 2023, 9:55 pm

>210 clamairy: I'm glad you enjoyed The Forgotten Beasts of Eld, its not her best but it is still really really good. Congrats on reaching 100!

217Meredy
Déc 13, 2023, 3:40 am

>211 clamairy: We don't do it for the numbers of course, but 100 is very impressive. I made 100 (exactly) just once, and I was very proud. Take a bow, Clammie.

218Sakerfalcon
Modifié : Déc 13, 2023, 5:28 am

>211 clamairy: Congratulations! That sound like it deserves a celebration - perhaps some cheese?

219pgmcc
Déc 13, 2023, 5:43 am

>218 Sakerfalcon:
That is a nice spread. You must have been up early this morning to prepare that.

220Sakerfalcon
Déc 13, 2023, 6:41 am

>219 pgmcc: Only the best for the Green Dragon!

221clamairy
Modifié : Déc 13, 2023, 7:56 am

>214 pgmcc:, >216 Karlstar:, >217 Meredy: Thank you.

>218 Sakerfalcon: Oooh, I want to jump face first into that bounty. Many thanks.

>215 Jim53: Yes, WOW. Getting COVID in July meant a lot more reading than usual in the Summer months for me. I just kept going, and now I only put my TV on about once or twice a week.

222clamairy
Modifié : Déc 13, 2023, 6:59 pm

I started listening to A Christmas Carol, narrated by Simon Prebble, and I was really not enjoying it. Not only was it a dramatization with lots of extra pauses and sound effects, but they were changing words for no reason! Yes I'm old enough to have read/listened to/watched this story enough times that I have big chunks of it memorized. So I went back into my Audible app and exchanged that version for the one narrated by Tim Curry. I'm pretty sure I listened to that last year.

223foggidawn
Déc 14, 2023, 11:52 am

>222 clamairy: That would irritate me, too!

224clamairy
Déc 14, 2023, 1:04 pm



Sweet mother of pearl... I suppose I was expecting a cozy holiday tale, and this is NOT it... and yet, somehow, this is so much better. The dedication should have been a giveaway:
This story is dedicated to the women and children who suffered time in Ireland's mother and baby homes and Magdalen laundries.
I loved this, but it is not for the faint of heart. I'm going to let it run lose in my head for the rest of the day. Then I will decide what I am going to read next.

Thank you, foggidawn!

225clamairy
Modifié : Déc 20, 2023, 11:25 am

I'm behind on listing books read/listened to, but can't do it right now.
Just wanted to share this from my LT Year in Review:

Book Measurements for 2023
You added 10.52 feet and 86.01 pounds to your book stack!
You need 0.69 IKEA billy bookcases to hold your new books for 2023.
Or, if you store them in the garage, you need 4.40 U-Haul boxes.
And make sure your floors will support the added weight of 4.45 adult badgers!

226ScoLgo
Déc 20, 2023, 12:38 pm

>225 clamairy: My stats are similar. The one that cracks me up is the height. When I checked earlier this year, my annual stack was taller than Emperor Napoleon but shorter than an ostrich. Now, nearing the end of the year, I have surpassed the ostrich - and even Nike of Samothrace - but am still shorter than a double-decker bus. ;)

227MrsLee
Déc 20, 2023, 1:18 pm

>225 clamairy: Aren't you glad most of yours are ebooks? Not sure I would want 4.45 badgers waddling around my house. 3 cats is more than enough!

228Karlstar
Déc 20, 2023, 2:23 pm

>225 clamairy: That's a lot of badgers.

229clamairy
Déc 20, 2023, 5:13 pm

>226 ScoLgo:, >227 MrsLee: & >228 Karlstar: Can I say it? "We don't need no stinkin' badgers!"

230jillmwo
Déc 20, 2023, 5:15 pm

>229 clamairy: Well, I'm laughing!

231clamairy
Déc 20, 2023, 6:23 pm

232MrsLee
Déc 20, 2023, 6:57 pm

>229 clamairy: :D LOL, it had to be said.

233pgmcc
Déc 20, 2023, 7:15 pm

LOL

234PlatinumWarlock
Déc 22, 2023, 4:17 pm

Happy holiday, Clare! I hope the coming year is filled with joy and good health for you and yours. :)

235Karlstar
Déc 22, 2023, 4:30 pm

236clamairy
Déc 23, 2023, 8:50 am

>234 PlatinumWarlock: Thank you, Lavinia! The same to you!

237pgmcc
Déc 31, 2023, 7:39 pm

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

I hope 2024 is a great year for you.

I trust you lack of posting since before Christmas is due to your having a great time with friends and family.

238haydninvienna
Déc 31, 2023, 10:09 pm

Happy new year!

239jillmwo
Modifié : Jan 1, 9:16 am

Well, between fireworks, the cheese and a host of beverages, you may be feeling a bit bleary this morning, so I will just very quietly wish you a happy new year! (FWIW, I found fresh coffee this morning to be the right pick-me-up.)

Happy new year!! Get out there and walk the beach in 2024!

240Karlstar
Jan 1, 10:19 am

Happy New Year!

241MrsLee
Jan 1, 11:06 am

Happy New Year! May your reads be plenty and perfect, your cheese be ripe and your wine like liquid jewels.

242catzteach
Jan 1, 11:20 am

Happy New Year!

243clamairy
Jan 1, 3:45 pm

>237 pgmcc: Thank you, and the same to you! (I have been posting in other people's threads! Just too busy to post what books I've finished or am working on.)

>238 haydninvienna:, >239 jillmwo:, >240 Karlstar:,>241 MrsLee: & >242 catzteach: Many thanks, all of you!

244clamairy
Jan 1, 4:02 pm

I have a few books I need to add here before I start my 2024 thread.



I really enjoyed the audio book I listened to by Kate Forster, but Christmas Wishes at Pudding Hall was mediocre, and full of typos and mistakes. :o(

So I borrowed a Christmas themed murder mystery next.



A Fatal Grace by Louise Penny was good! I will probably read the book that was meant to be read before this one.



What could be better than Dickens A Christmas Carol read by Tim Curry? Not much, I tell you.



The Secret History of Christmas by Bill Bryson was a pleasure and a bit of an eye-opener, I tell you. (It's read by the author, and I always forget how soft-spoken he is.) I do want to listen to this again next year several weeks before Christmas and write down and research some of the dishes that are no longer served. I only wished it were longer.

245clamairy
Jan 1, 4:07 pm

I CONSUMED* a whopping 106 books this past year. This is at least partially because I was spending time inside with my sick dog until the middle of June, and then after she passed I got COVID. After that I was so disgusted with the happenings on the planet that I stopped putting on the TV to watch the news, and sat with my Kindle every evening instead.

* That's 74 books read and 32 listened to.

246clamairy
Modifié : Jan 2, 8:30 pm

Just adding some wrap-up stats.

Fiction - 90
Fantasy - 32
Mystery - 21
Science Fiction -15

Non-fiction - 16
Science - 5
Anthropology - 2
History - 2
Memoirs - 3