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1richardbsmith
What scripture is inerrant?
https://www.quora.com/What-verses-of-the-Koran-do-ISIS-use-as-justification-for-...
"As I'm neither a muslim nor educated in classical Arabic nor Islamic Law, I thought I'd cite the bible to show how we could justify similar things from the bible or the Torah. This all the more as in my opinion the source of the " Islamic State's justification for war, mass execution, slavery and rape" is probably not the Quran but the 5th Book of Moses (Deuteronomy). As Muhammad was not a gifted writer, Deuteronomy's commandments are not only spread all over the Quran and the Hadith, but they are also less concisely stated there. If you had only 1-2 hours of time I'd highly recommend reading Deuteronomy instead (everything is my emphasis): "
And so of course, it seems never to end.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ten-killed-many-wounded-in-suicide-attack-at...
I am left still confident that openness, inclusion, and engagement are significant to the solution. Isolationism seems to offer hope for many others.
What do we do with an inerrant scripture?
What scripture is inerrant and how do we know that?
And what is the effect of inerrancy in scripture?
ETA
A cute note. In one of the courses on the Hebrew Bible, the Rabbi frequently referred to the Bible in his course descriptions. Once the course opened there were several Christians complaining that the Rabbi should have been clear he was only discussing the Old Testament.
https://www.quora.com/What-verses-of-the-Koran-do-ISIS-use-as-justification-for-...
"As I'm neither a muslim nor educated in classical Arabic nor Islamic Law, I thought I'd cite the bible to show how we could justify similar things from the bible or the Torah. This all the more as in my opinion the source of the " Islamic State's justification for war, mass execution, slavery and rape" is probably not the Quran but the 5th Book of Moses (Deuteronomy). As Muhammad was not a gifted writer, Deuteronomy's commandments are not only spread all over the Quran and the Hadith, but they are also less concisely stated there. If you had only 1-2 hours of time I'd highly recommend reading Deuteronomy instead (everything is my emphasis): "
And so of course, it seems never to end.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ten-killed-many-wounded-in-suicide-attack-at...
I am left still confident that openness, inclusion, and engagement are significant to the solution. Isolationism seems to offer hope for many others.
What do we do with an inerrant scripture?
What scripture is inerrant and how do we know that?
And what is the effect of inerrancy in scripture?
ETA
A cute note. In one of the courses on the Hebrew Bible, the Rabbi frequently referred to the Bible in his course descriptions. Once the course opened there were several Christians complaining that the Rabbi should have been clear he was only discussing the Old Testament.
2richardbsmith
A message from a friend in Turkey.
"I feel so powerless. And sadly, all I can think of is 'if thoughts could kill, I would have gotten rid of many people tonight. All those who let it come to this. The young soldier whistleblower who reported truckloads of weapons being transported to Isis was tortured and jailed. LGBTI were beaten and taken into custody during the Pride rally last week. Isis members were treated at hospitals around the country for free and safely returned to their 'posts'. And Facebook asks if I'm safe.
We're not safe and I desperately want to hurt some people. "
"I feel so powerless. And sadly, all I can think of is 'if thoughts could kill, I would have gotten rid of many people tonight. All those who let it come to this. The young soldier whistleblower who reported truckloads of weapons being transported to Isis was tortured and jailed. LGBTI were beaten and taken into custody during the Pride rally last week. Isis members were treated at hospitals around the country for free and safely returned to their 'posts'. And Facebook asks if I'm safe.
We're not safe and I desperately want to hurt some people. "
3John5918
>2 richardbsmith: 'if thoughts could kill, I would have gotten rid of many people tonight... I desperately want to hurt some people
An understandable reaction, perhaps, but the widespread attitude across the world of meeting violence with more violence is a major part of the problem.
An understandable reaction, perhaps, but the widespread attitude across the world of meeting violence with more violence is a major part of the problem.
4richardbsmith
What I took from her comments is her disgust at the treatment of gay persons in her society, even as actively violent enemies are respected.
Her anger is not just directed at the terrible bombings she regularly endures, it is as much directed at the stupidity of such traditional prejudices.
Her anger is not just directed at the terrible bombings she regularly endures, it is as much directed at the stupidity of such traditional prejudices.
6richardbsmith
"Though they know God's decree that those who do such things deserve to die."
The language of violence can be subtle.
And it can be formed as an apology.
The language of violence can be subtle.
And it can be formed as an apology.
7John5918
>6 richardbsmith:
The language of violence can encourage disturbed individuals and extremist groups to commit actual violence.
The language of violence can encourage disturbed individuals and extremist groups to commit actual violence.
8JGL53
Fanatical belief in inerrancy by adherents in the various sectarian religions is the cause of a large per cent of violence -war, murder, torture - in all of human history. That's the main drawback to religion. Not enough religionists want to keep it light and just recommend their particular religion as a good idea - too many religionists see only sheep and goats, with themselves being the sheep beloved of god and the goats being all who are non-followers of their particular religion. And this absolutist attitude is always based in belief in inerrant scripture. Sure, "secular" Marxism and Objectivism ape this absolutism based on the idea of inerrant scripture/written documents but organized religion started the shit and has always maintained hegemony. Liberal religionists try to deny or avoid this truth, but fail, exceedingly.
