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Red Earth, White Lies: Native Americans and the Myth of Scientific Fact

par Vine Deloria, Jr.

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In this latest work by the prominent historian, Deloria turns his audacious intellect and fiery indignation to an examination of modern science as it relates to Native American oral history and exposes the myth of scientific fact, defending Indian mythology as the more truthful account of the history of the earth. Deloria grew up in South Dakota, in a small border town on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. There he was in a position to absorb the culture and traditions of Western Europeans, as well as of the native Sioux people. Much of the formal education he received about science, including how the earth and its people had formed and developed over time, came from the white, Western world; he and his fellow students accepted it as gospel, even though this information often contradicted the ancient teachings of the Native American peoples. As an adult, though, Deloria saw how some of these scientific "facts," once readily accepted as the truth, now began to run against common sense as well as the teachings of his people. For example, the question of why certain peoples had lighter or darker skins posed an especially thorny problem - one that mainstream journals and books failed to answer in a way that was satisfactory to this budding skeptic. When he began to reexamine other previously irrefutable theories - of the earth's creation, of the evolution of people, of the acceptance of the notion that the Indians themselves had been responsible for slaughtering and wiping out certain large animals from their habitat over time - he also began to reconsider the value of myth and religion in an explanation of the world's history and, in the process, to document and record traditional knowledge of Indian tribes as offered by the tribal elders.… (plus d'informations)
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2-1/2 stars. Not well written, but it does present some interesting counterpoints to currently accepted theories of prehistory. ( )
  Abcdarian | May 18, 2024 |
2-1/2 stars. Not well written, but it does present some interesting counterpoints to currently accepted theories of prehistory. ( )
  Siubhan | Feb 28, 2018 |
Recommended for those interested in Native issues and those interested in alternative theories of human world population. This is not a perfect book, but it is a thought-provoking one.

I recently read another book on a similar topic, Who Discovered America by Gavin Menzies. Red Earth, White Lies, despite getting so much less attention -- likely because of its focus on Native issues -- is so much better that you should skip Menzies entirely and just read this. Unlike Menzies, Deloria made me want to think critically about these claims and have less trust in our archaeological academic institutions. Here's why Deloria's book is so much more effective:

1. Deloria does not allege that the current orthodoxy about the American population through the Bering Strait is a conspiracy against him personally. Rather, he identifies two reasons for its popularity: first, because it is a straightforward explanation that requires little high-level thinking for the lay student learning it in elementary school, and second, because it makes it easier for white people -- of whom academia is predominantly comprised -- to feel less bad about their ancestors taking the Americas from the natives since it isn't like the natives were actually here that long, either. This is an interesting point to me. I think there is this tension among many white people between generically feeling bad about the fact that white people stole the Americas from the Native Americans and knowing with certainty that they don't want to give it back or really do anything to make Native Americans' lives better. Saying to them, "Well, it's not like the natives were actually native -- they only showed up a couple centuries before the Europeans" is a good way to assuage that guilt. This is a much more compelling social point to me than the Menzies style "everybody is out to get me!" idea.

2. Deloria says that he doubts Native Americans came on the land bridge for several reasons, but one is that there are no origin myths among the tribes saying that such a thing happened. However, there are many tribes with origin myths about sailing across giant seas. Historians and archaeologists have said that this is impossible, but he points out that historians and archaeologists said that the native Hawaiians' origin myth -- also of coming to Hawaii on rafts across the Pacific and frequently going from island to island at great distances -- was also disregarded by all historians and archaeologists as impossible until a white person, Thor Heyerdahl, recreated it. In other words, when brown people do a thing, it is impossible; when a white person does a thing, it is real.

3. Deloria gives examples of archeological and historical evidence of his theories like Menzies does; however, where every example Menzies gave was easily googled and debunked, all of Deloria's examples are found online categorized as "history mysteries" and "unexplained mysteries." There are two possible explanations for this in my mind. The first is that Deloria is right and these things are legitimately unexplained by science. The second is that because Menzies gets more attention, scientists have taken the time to debunk his ideas, but no one did so for Deloria's. Either is possible. Now, there are some examples Deloria gives that make me uncomfortable because of the coalitions built behind them. For instance, he describes how a pendant given by Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce upon his defeat by the American military was analyzed many years after the fact and found to be an ancient Mesopotamian tablet dating back thousands of years. This is intriguing because Chief Joseph should have no business owning such a thing, given that interaction between Native Americans and cradle of civilization Mesopotamians should be impossible. I was very interested, and it does turn out to be a "history mystery" of a sort. The issue is that when you google this, the coalition of people who cite this as evidence for their viewpoints, other than Deloria, are creationists who believe the earth is six thousand years old and Mormons who cite it as proof that the Book of Mormon is accurate. Strange bedfellows, to be sure. Perhaps it is my prejudice that these bedfellows make me less likely to think that this is valid. But it is still thought-provoking.

4. Unlike Menzies, who presents a theory that seems self-serving -- that it was all about China, and also everything was about China, so please read all of my other books too -- Deloria presents an alternative theory of American population that could be plausible. (I'll note that I don't find it more plausible than the Bering Strait theory, but on its surface, it isn't less plausible, either.) Deloria proposes that people lived in the Americas as early as 42,000 B.C, arriving by boat to the northwestern part of the continent, and living in the north until a climate catastrophe appearing in several tribes' oral histories forced them to begin moving southward and eastward. It was these people who then went east to Europe and became the Cro-Magnons. He notes that archaeologists do agree that the Cro-Magnons entered Europe from the west, based on the location of their painted caves; and notably, there isn't much that is west of Europe that could sustain a large population. (He notes another ethnologist, Werner Muller, also expounded on these ideas, although I can find very little information in English about this person, so I can't vouch for him either way.) Perhaps most compelling, Deloria notes that we don't know enough to prove this scenario but that there are equal levels of archaeological evidence for both, with lists. Certainly he could be misrepresenting the lists. However, this makes me take the idea of non-Bering Strait population much more seriously than Menzies did.

Deloria also makes a number of geological claims that I don't know enough to understand, and the dense articles I found online about the geology of the Grand Canyon scared me off of trying to understand them, but it certainly was enough to engage with intellectually and make me wonder. The frequent examples of Native Americans' origin myths lining up perfectly with our much later understanding of geology -- for instance, tales in the Pacific Northwest of Cascade eruptions and earthquakes that, after being disbelieved, were located through mudslide geological evidence as happening within the last five thousand years, when these tribes did live there -- was quite compelling. It made me want to read another book that matches these things up more closely rather than as examples.

That said, there are places where Deloria places a little too much trust in oral history. For instance, he cites a claim among a Great Plains tribe that they were periodically seeing dinosaurs in their lands as late as the 18th century. I find it impossible to believe that there were still dinosaurs, even one, hanging out in the Great Plains that recently. But is it more ridiculous than the number of people who believe that the Loch Ness Monster is a dinosaur? No. Both things are impossible. But he is correct in pointing out that the ridicule Native Americans get for saying that they saw a dinosaur a few hundred years ago is huge compared to how white people making a similar claim about Nessie are received.

Similarly, he notes that international tales of great floods similarly timed to the biblical flood of Noah -- he cites examples of North and South American tribes; I recall the same happening with Gilgamesh -- are used as evidence of the bible's historicity, while it is just as likely that the bible's tale supports one of these others or (most likely in my opinion) they are all interpretations of a similar event and none is likelier than another. But because the bible is what the West believes, all other floods support it.

Like any book in this field, Red Earth, White Lies has an agenda. I think the difference is that Deloria's agenda is very clear -- he thinks science disregards Native Americans entirely -- but does not overtake the book by not presenting evidence of the thesis.

Also, I'm sure that Deloria would be absolutely appalled -- as many of us were -- by Menzies titling his book with the word "discovered." ( )
  sparemethecensor | Jun 28, 2015 |
This is an excellent book that allows the reader to gain a much more complete understanding of not only American Indian histories, but history of the world. Vine Deloria Jr. addresses many misconceptions and scientific myths, while giving Indian legends that fill in many gaps that science has been unable, or unwilling, to accept from the Indian culture. This book would be recommended for children learning a basic history of the world, and adults who would like to challenge their knowledge and what they thought to be fact. ( )
  Clancy.Coonradt | Jan 10, 2014 |
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In this latest work by the prominent historian, Deloria turns his audacious intellect and fiery indignation to an examination of modern science as it relates to Native American oral history and exposes the myth of scientific fact, defending Indian mythology as the more truthful account of the history of the earth. Deloria grew up in South Dakota, in a small border town on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. There he was in a position to absorb the culture and traditions of Western Europeans, as well as of the native Sioux people. Much of the formal education he received about science, including how the earth and its people had formed and developed over time, came from the white, Western world; he and his fellow students accepted it as gospel, even though this information often contradicted the ancient teachings of the Native American peoples. As an adult, though, Deloria saw how some of these scientific "facts," once readily accepted as the truth, now began to run against common sense as well as the teachings of his people. For example, the question of why certain peoples had lighter or darker skins posed an especially thorny problem - one that mainstream journals and books failed to answer in a way that was satisfactory to this budding skeptic. When he began to reexamine other previously irrefutable theories - of the earth's creation, of the evolution of people, of the acceptance of the notion that the Indians themselves had been responsible for slaughtering and wiping out certain large animals from their habitat over time - he also began to reconsider the value of myth and religion in an explanation of the world's history and, in the process, to document and record traditional knowledge of Indian tribes as offered by the tribal elders.

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