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La guerre éternelle (1974)

par Joe Haldeman

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Private William Mandella is a hero in spite of himself -- a reluctant conscript drafted into an elite military unit, and propelled through space and time to fight in a distant thousand-year conflict. He never wanted to go to war, but the leaders on Earth have drawn a line in the interstellar sand -- despite the fact that their fierce alien enemy is unknowable, unconquerable, and very far away. So Mandella will perform his duties without rancor and even rise up through the military's ranks . . . if he survives. But the true test of his mettle will come when he returns to Earth. Because of the time dilation caused by space travel the loyal soldier is aging months, while his home planet is aging centuries -- and the difference will prove the saying: you never can go home.… (plus d'informations)
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    Étoiles, garde-à-vous ! par Robert A. Heinlein (infiniteletters, goodiegoodie)
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    Le Vieil Homme et la guerre par John Scalzi (JulesJones)
    JulesJones: Two books which examine in different ways what happens to the recruits in an interstellar war who by the very nature of their service can never go back to their home culture.
  3. 10
    Armor par John Steakley (amysisson, RASinfo)
    RASinfo: Perfect read for the story and ideas of the same theme.
  4. 10
    The Ethos Effect par Jr. L. E. Modesitt (thejazzmonger)
    thejazzmonger: Good characters and a story with intelligence and action. It makes you think, like every Haldeman book does.
  5. 22
    La Paix éternelle par Joe Haldeman (sturlington)
    sturlington: Forever Peace is a thematic sequel to The Forever War.
  6. 01
    Un cantique pour Leibowitz par Walter M. Miller Jr. (sturlington)
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    The Healer's War par Elizabeth Ann Scarborough (LamontCranston)
    LamontCranston: The Forever War was inspired by Haldemans experiences in Vietnam, Scarborough writes about her experiences in Vietnam directly.
  8. 14
    Indomptable par Jack Campbell (amysisson)
    amysisson: First in a series of thoughtful military SF with great FTL tactical details.
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With the anniversary of D-Day being just a few days ago, this was timely reading. Joe Haldeman’s book, “The Forever War” is engaging, well-written, and meaningful, originally published in 1974. It was a Hugo and Nebula winner. I read an edition published in 2010 which Haldeman identified as the ‘definitive edition’. I read the first edition back in college in the mid-eighties. While I remember greatly enjoying the book in college, this re-read was much more impactful. I don’t know if that is due to my naivety back then, or the changes in editions.

The story is written in first-person from the perspective of Private William Mandella. Haldeman effectively pulls from his personal experiences from Viet Nam. He tells a very readable story and successfully conveys several themes:
- Solders in wartime, often return disconnected from their personal relationships and have challenges in reconnecting with family and friends.
- Solders are also often faced with ‘culture shock’, losing touch with changes in society and face difficulty integrating into everyday life after living through war’s horrors.
- Countries and economies can become dependant on war, limiting incentives to find peaceful solution.
- War can escalate, losing touch with its original objectives. Certainly, for many solders, after being caught up in a life and death struggle and attempting to protect and save their fellow soldiers, are often left with a void, when considering, “what was it all for?”

Haldeman uses science fiction including time dilation to magnify these themes. He also creatively tells of some drastic culture shifts which the MC faces when returning from duty. This book is a masterpiece, both as a straight-up science fiction story, but also as an allegory for the horrors and hopelessness of war. ( )
  Kevin_A_Kuhn | Aug 23, 2021 |
The last chapter just seals the deal, comes from left field and makes your heart drop. That book was more impacting than I expected it to be even ten pages before the end. Nausea and then this poignant heart stab. There are some reflections on the nature of leadership that are quite good and could be further teased out on a rainy day too, about the weird feeling of empathy and responsibility, the feeling of displacement or not belonging in the role and the need to also embrace it and be the bad guy sometimes. Basically, Forever War as good as everyone says it is.
  ahovde01 | Aug 13, 2021 |
The concept of this novel is great. But the book's politics are dated: it was written during the seventies and the future world (including our own times) is a pastiche of every right wing lunatic fears. ( )
  Pindarix | Jul 15, 2021 |
I read this at uni for a science fiction class. It got me back into reading while in college. I donated it later to another avid reader. Book 1 in The Forever War Series.

The story follows a physics student named Will who is conscripted into the military on Earth to fight against an enemy named the Taurans. Will and his unit travel through space to fight and return to Earth after two years - to an extremely different home planet. This is military science fiction and has parallels to Haldeman's personal experiences during the Vietnam War.

The story is one of military service and how those service personnel may find themselves alienated not only when deployed but also when they return home. It shows how service personnel must adjust to the unknowns upon their return and how the world reacts to them after they've come back. Because this is closely associated with concepts involving war and actions committed during combat, readers may find it a little tough to read. The story is excellent and well developed.

The characters are believable and yet there's a couple who you may find unlikeable; that's okay too. Will is a wide-eyed kid before going to war with aspirations and goals for his time even if he was conscripted but when he gets back to Earth to discover how time really works in space, he is left adrift. Haldeman describes this alienation well.

The writing is entirely accessible to readers though the content may be tough. There is enough description in the action to understand what Will and others are doing and seeing. In the quiet moments, the reader can feel what the characters are feeling.

*All thoughts and opinions are my own.* ( )
  The_Literary_Jedi | Jun 11, 2021 |
A military science fiction novel about one man's participation in a centuries-long war with an alien civilization.

The plot follows William Mandella as he rises through the ranks from private to major in Earth's "forever war" with the mysterious Tauran aliens. Due to the relativistic effects of near-light-speed travel, each time he returns years or even centuries have passed on Earth, leaving the protagonist struggling to cope with "normal" society. The author's main focus is on the dehumanizing effects of army culture, the senselessness and unpredictability of war, and the feelings of estrangement that veterans experience when returning to civilian life.

This book has been described as a response to Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein, as Haldeman uses similar space opera tropes, but subverts them in order to critique military culture, propaganda, and glorification of warfare. In that respect, it's comparable to Paul Verhoeven's 1997 film adaptation of Heinlein's novel.

This book is considered a classic of science fiction, and I think rightly so. Still, the clunky writing and dated treatment of sexuality may turn off some readers. Yet despite its flaws, I found it a fairly enjoyable read and an interesting look into the culture and ideas of the 70s. ( )
  gcthomas | May 19, 2021 |
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I got to re-reading it last night (for the first time in nearly 20 years) and couldn't put it down.
ajouté par lampbane | modifierBoing Boing, Cory Doctorow (Mar 30, 2003)
 

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Relativity propped it up, at least gave it the illusion of being there...the way all reality becomes illusory and observer-oriented when you study general relativity. Or Buddhism. Or get drafted.
I feel asleep and dreamed that I was a machine, mimicking the functions of life, creaking and clanking my clumsy way through a world, people too polite to say anything but giggling behind my back, and the little man who sat inside my head pulling the levers and clutches and watching the dials, he was hopelessly mad and storing up hurts for the day--
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Private William Mandella is a hero in spite of himself -- a reluctant conscript drafted into an elite military unit, and propelled through space and time to fight in a distant thousand-year conflict. He never wanted to go to war, but the leaders on Earth have drawn a line in the interstellar sand -- despite the fact that their fierce alien enemy is unknowable, unconquerable, and very far away. So Mandella will perform his duties without rancor and even rise up through the military's ranks . . . if he survives. But the true test of his mettle will come when he returns to Earth. Because of the time dilation caused by space travel the loyal soldier is aging months, while his home planet is aging centuries -- and the difference will prove the saying: you never can go home.

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