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La guerre éternelle (1974)

par Joe Haldeman

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Imaginez une guerre si vaste que l'écho des batailles peut mettre plusieurs siècles à parvenir aux oreilles de ceux qui les ont ordonnées... enfin, de leurs descendants, en tout cas. Pour le soldat Mandella, membre de l'une des unités d'élite chargées de combattre les Taurans, le problème est inverse : lorsqu'il revient sur Terre après plusieurs mois de campagne, des décennies se sont écoulées. Comment continuer à vivre, quand tout ce pour quoi on s'est battu n'existe plus ?… (plus d'informations)
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    Étoiles, garde-à-vous ! par Robert A. Heinlein (infiniteletters, goodiegoodie)
  2. 80
    Le Vieil Homme et la guerre par John Scalzi (JulesJones)
    JulesJones: Two books which examine in different ways what happens to the recruits in an interstellar war who by the very nature of their service can never go back to their home culture.
  3. 10
    Armor par John Steakley (amysisson, RASinfo)
    RASinfo: Perfect read for the story and ideas of the same theme.
  4. 10
    The Ethos Effect par L. E. Modesitt, Jr. (thejazzmonger)
    thejazzmonger: Good characters and a story with intelligence and action. It makes you think, like every Haldeman book does.
  5. 11
    Un cantique pour Leibowitz par Walter M. Miller Jr. (sturlington)
  6. 22
    La Paix éternelle par Joe Haldeman (sturlington)
    sturlington: Forever Peace is a thematic sequel to The Forever War.
  7. 01
    The Healer's War par Elizabeth Ann Scarborough (LamontCranston)
    LamontCranston: The Forever War was inspired by Haldemans experiences in Vietnam, Scarborough writes about her experiences in Vietnam directly.
  8. 14
    Indomptable par Jack Campbell (amysisson)
    amysisson: First in a series of thoughtful military SF with great FTL tactical details.
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Skemmti mér ágætlega við lestur þessarar sögu. Hún hefur hlotið nokkur af helstu vísindasöguverðlaununum og segir frá náunga sem er kallaður í herinn þegar stríð brýst út milli Jarðarbúa og geimvera í náinni framtíð. Kannski fullnálægri því gaurinn tók þátt í Víetnamstríðinu, en þetta eru örlög margra vísindasagna að verða fyrir því að nútíminn nær í skottið á þeim áður en framtíðarsýnin rætist.
Það sem heillaði mig þó mest við bókina var hvernig Haldeman tók á óravegalengdum geimsins og áhrifunum á geimferðir. Þegar hermennirnir höfðu verið sendir langt í burtu og komu svo aftur þá leið mislangur tími hjá þeim samanborið við Jarðarbúa. Söguhetjan þurfti því að glíma við upplifun af algerlega nýrri veröld þegar hann kom heim, sjálfur nánast jafngamall og í upphafi en áratugir eða árhundruð gátu hafa liðið á Jörðinni. Málfar, menning, viðhorf til kynferðis og margt fleira gerbreyttist á þessum tíma svo að söguhetjan hrökklaðist aftur í herinn og út í geiminn þar sem hann þekkti betur til.
Gagnrýnendur hafa bent á að greina megi töluverð áhrif af ævi Haldemans sjálfs en hann barðist líka í Víetnam og upplifði gerbreytt samfélag þegar hann snéri heim til BNA auk þess sem greina má í sögunni andúð á hernum og lífi fótgönguliðans sem er lítið annað en byssufóður.
Skemmtilegur húmor og sjónarhorn gerði þessa bók vel þess virði að lesa. ( )
  SkuliSael | Apr 28, 2022 |
Loved the writing and cool physics ideas. Don't mind nerding out a bit for my fun sci-fi books! Once again, I love books that aren't too wordy but manage to be unique in their message/storyline. ( )
  ds_db | Apr 25, 2022 |
Very clever novel, that pretends to be military sci fi but is much more thoughtful than that. ( )
  whatmeworry | Apr 9, 2022 |
The most enticing selling point for The Forever War, Joe Haldeman's classic sci-fi novel from 1974, isn't its reputation as a classic sci-fi novel. It's that Haldeman, a Vietnam War veteran, had written the story as an allegory for the disconnected feeling American soldiers felt upon returning from that theatre. Engaged in a long war with a race of aliens known as Taurans – which, because of the relativity of time in travelling across space, becomes a 'forever war' – the protagonist, William Mandella, returns home disaffected, combat-weary and completely alienated from the society that has developed while he was away.

With such a great concept, it is disappointing that The Forever War contains many of the flaws of classic sci-fi, and does not reach the literary heights of a compelling anti-war novel. Like a lot of classic sci-fi, Haldeman's book contains some unrefined storytelling and cardboard characters, redeemed only by its fine ideas. Its aliens – the Taurans – remain completely undeveloped (and consequently non-threatening), and there's a hefty dose of made-up sci-fi jargon. And, again like a lot of classic sci-fi, Haldeman hasn't yet broken clear of the genre's pulp-magazine origins; in particular, the seedy and teenage-boy-like attitude to sex, with the female soldiers in the story sexually "compliant and promiscuous by military custom (and law)" (pg. 45), is cringeworthy. I don't clutch pearls about this sort of thing (nor with the peculiar ideas about homosexuality later in the story), but when they're this overt it's hard to ignore them, and the reader can only reflect on how parts of the story have aged poorly.

Despite these flaws, The Forever War survives as a sci-fi story pretty much intact; it's readable and expands upon its central concepts of relativity and disconnect enough to make the book more than a pot-boiler. Certainly, the shallowness of the characterisation and the plot developments pale when you see how easily the story zips along. But the book struggles to really sink these ideas – and the anti-war sentiment behind them – deep enough to earn a literary reputation. Certainly, those who describe The Forever War as a sci-fi counterpart to All Quiet on the Western Front are grossly exaggerating the book's weight (or are grossly underselling Remarque's seminal novel). I suspect many of those who make the comparison haven't even read Remarque's novel, in order to validate the observation; in my experience, those who champion classic sci-fi tend to read nothing other than classic sci-fi.

Suffice to say, the comparison shines cold and unwelcome light on The Forever War. There's nothing of the depth and intricacy of All Quiet on the Western Front in Haldeman's entertaining but workmanlike adventure, and certainly no scene that compares in emotional, thematic or literary impact to Remarque's famous scene in the shell crater, or the screams of the horses under shellfire. Pausing just for a moment or two in Haldeman's hasty unpacking of his story might well have delivered a comparable scene, because the underlying ideas are good.

Now, it is perhaps unfair to condemn a book by so readily balancing it in the scales with a much superior book. But The Forever War has such a great idea in its makeup that if it's ultimately found wanting, it can only be through its own failure to deliver it. The Forever War is an entertaining story that touches on deeper themes of relativity, disconnect and war, but by the end remains too pulpy in its tone and hasty in its execution to really sound the depths of them. ( )
  MikeFutcher | Mar 19, 2022 |
Listened to this on audiobook. Much better than I expected, which was silly of me because I've heard nothing but praise for it whenever it is mentioned. It also did not have as much "war" in it as I expected, but focused more on the nature of life, human society, and culture. In this way, it "read" (listened?) like a fast paced Heinlein novel. ( )
  invisiblecityzen | Mar 13, 2022 |
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I got to re-reading it last night (for the first time in nearly 20 years) and couldn't put it down.
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