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The Battle of Salamis: The Naval Encounter that Saved Greece -- and Western Civilization (2004)

par Barry S. Strauss

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On a late September day in 480 B.C., Greek warships faced an invading Persian armada in the narrow Salamis Straits in the most important naval battle of the ancient world. Overwhelmingly outnumbered by the enemy, the Greeks triumphed through a combination of strategy and deception. More than two millennia after it occurred, the clash between the Greeks and Persians at Salamis remains one of the most tactically brilliant battles ever fought. The Greek victory changed the course of western history -- halting the advance of the Persian Empire and setting the stage for the Golden Age of Athens. In this dramatic new narrative account, historian and classicist Barry Strauss brings this landmark battle to life. He introduces us to the unforgettable characters whose decisions altered history: Themistocles, Athens' great leader (and admiral of its fleet), who devised the ingenious strategy that effectively destroyed the Persian navy in one day; Xerxes, the Persian king who fought bravely but who ultimately did not understand the sea; Aeschylus, the playwright who served in the battle and later wrote about it; and Artemisia, the only woman commander known from antiquity, who turned defeat into personal triumph. Filled with the sights, sounds, and scent of battle, The Battle of Salamis is a stirring work of history.… (plus d'informations)
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O livro tem uma descrição envolvente. Strauss investiga e pondera detalhes que fizeram de uma batalha naval praticamente perdida, uma vitória que rechaçou a tentativa de dominação Persa e livrou a maioria das cidades estado (que formavam a Liga de Delos) de serem subjulgadas pelo Rei Xerxes, o Rei dos Reis.
Dai dizer que essa batalha salvou o futuro da civilização ocidental?
Acho que é bem possível, já que a democracia ateniense esteve ameaçada (Atenas foi incendiada, embora a população tenha sido evacuada para a ilha de Salamina antes dos Persas chegarem) e após a vitória naval essa democracia ateniense só se mostrou mais forte e resoluta contra a dominação Persa. Também fiquei interessado em ler a peça de Ésquilo, que segundo consta, estava na batalha e já era um poeta consagrado.
Mas a guerra não parou por ali e mesmo a vitória grega em Platea ainda gerou desdobramentos interessantes registrados nesse livro.
A única decepção em saber detalhes da batalha histórica é que no final das contas '300: Rise of an Empire' por ser um filme é um relato BEM mais divertido. ( )
  tarsischwald | Oct 23, 2021 |
An epic tale of the great battle between the Greeks and Persians, fought entirely with large sausages.


Well, now that I’ve got that out of the way, I’m not sure quite how to take Salamis. The problem is that while the battle of Salamis is usually regarded as one of the most important in history – the seagoing equivalent of Thermopylae – there’s just not that much information available. What we’ve got is the play Persians, by Aeschylus, written 6 years after the battle (it’s possible that Aeschylus was there); The Histories of Herodotus, written about 38 years later (so it’s possible Herodotus may have interviewed some of the participants, on both sides); the History of Diodorus Siculus (perhaps 350 years later); Plutarch’s Life of Themistocles, written about 550 years later; and miscellaneous bits and pieces of other ancient authors.


Author Barry Strauss, a Cornell Classics professor, does the best he can with the skimpy source material. First, the book covers the entire naval campaign, not just the battle of Salamis; next, Strauss speculates a great deal on the motivation and characters of the participants – and makes his speculations interesting reading.


Unfortunately, although Strauss is very thoroughly grounded in Greek history, his interpretation of oared vessel naval tactics is often unsatisfying. For example, while Leonidas and his 300 were fighting a Thermopylae, the united Greek navy was guarding his flank at Artemisium (which is why the Persian just didn’t load troops on ships, land behind Thermopylae, and encircle Leonidas). The Persians had about 700 ships at Artemisium (although as Strauss points out, none of the ships were actually Persian; they belonged to client states like the Phoenicians, Egyptians, Ionian Greeks, and Cicilians); the Greeks had 271. So the Greeks attacked. According to Herodotus, the Persians completely surrounded the Greek ships, which formed a defensive circle. Then:


"…selected Greek triremes darted out of the circle, went through the loose enemy line, picked off vulnerable Persian triremes, and escaped. …The dispirited Persians headed back to their base at Aphetae."

Huh? Selected Greek triremes “escaped”? What were the other ones doing? What’s more, what was the Persian fleet doing, just watching? The quintessential trireme tactic is the diekplous. If two hostile triremes meet, they turn bow to bow, since the bows are strengthened to ram and withstand a ram. The ship doing the diekplous rows straight at the other in a game of nautical chicken, then at the last minute swerves to one side. Simultaneously the rowers on that side all pull in their oars. Ideally, the attacker cruises down the side of the other ship, shearing off oars (and probably killing or injuring rowers in the process). Then once passed, the attacking trireme puts out the oars again, backs oars on one side and pulls on the other, and essentially spins in place. Even if the other ship has managed to avoid the oar-shearing attack, if it isn’t also spinning, or isn’t spinning fast enough, it will present its stern or broadside to the attacker. Obviously, the diekplous required exquisite timing and a high degree of crew training. If you swerved too early, giving away your intentions, the other ship could turn slightly and ram you in the bow quarter, or even pull of its own diekplous on you. Similarly, it required fine coordination to have every rower rapidly yank a heavy oar into a crowded trireme hull, and then extend the oars again afterward. The defense against the diekplous was simply to have two staggered lines of ships. Despite what you see in Ben Hur about “ramming speed”, a trireme captain wanted to be going relatively slow when ramming; otherwise you ran the risk of having your ship stuck in the enemy or damaged your own oars. Thus if there’s a second line of ships waiting behind the first, it can engage while you’re trying the diekplous. So why didn’t this happen at Artemisium? The Persians clearly had enough superiority in ships to set up two or even three lines, making the Greek “escape” impossible. What happened? Strauss doesn’t speculate or even acknowledge the problem. My personal guess is either the ancient description of the battle is inaccurate, and the Greek ships weren’t really surrounded, or the Persian navy suffered serious command-and-control problems (there was a Persian admiral in command, one of Xerxes’ relatives; not only did he probably not know a thing about naval battles, he would have had to give orders in 30-odd different languages).


Once Thermopylae had fallen there was no point in the Greek navy remaining at Artemesium, so they sailed to Athens, evacuated the population to the island of Salamis, and waited for the Persians again. Here Strauss is a little more thorough in explaining what happened. The Persian navy made a “demonstration” by rowing up to the mouth of the channel and cruising around to see if the Greeks would come out and fight. They didn’t, so the Persians rowed back to their own anchorage at Phaleron. At this point Themistocles sent a secret message to Xerxes, saying he was turning traitor, that the Greek fleet was disunited and dispirited, and planned to sail away to the Peloponnesus. This was true; despite that fact that he was the one with all the ideas and the leader of the Athenian contingent, which made up more than half the fleet, Themistocles was not in command; the Greek admiral was Eurybiades the Spartan. The Spartans had insisted on command on both land and sea as a condition of their participation in the war. Eurybiades wanted to sail south, where the Spartans were busy building a defensive wall across the Isthmus of Corinth, and the fleet was to leave in the morning. Themistocles’ message to Xerxes convinced the Great King to go and attack the Greek fleet while it was pulling out; so the Persian ships put out to see again, this time actually entering the channel. The ancient historians say the Persians “surrounded” the Greeks, which modern histories have interpreted to mean that they sent a contingent to the other side of Salamis and entered the channel from both ends; Strauss disagrees, pointing out that the Persians would not have had time to do this. Instead he interprets “surrounded” as meaning the Persians took a semicircular position opposite the Greek anchorage. (Another mystery here: why didn’t the Persians attempt an attack on the Greeks at anchor? All the ancient historians agree that the Persian move was a surprise and the Greek sailors were all on shore when the Persian showed up. Instead the Persians waited until the Greeks boarded their triremes and came out.


So the rest is, as they say, history. The Greeks sang their paean, got on board (another thing that must have required particular training; there were 170 rowers stacked three deep in a 130-foot long ship. It must have required strict attention to seating assignments), and rowed out to smash the Persians. Again, a mystery; the ancient historians uniformly agree that the Greek triremes were heavier (and therefore slower, at least in acceleration) than their opponents. However, Strauss notes that the Persian triremes were wider (they carried 40 soldiers on deck, rather than the 10 of Greek ships) and taller (not just higher in the water; the Persian triremes had a bulwark along the deck to protect the fighters). So if they really weighed less than the Greek triremes, they must have been very lightly constructed. There is some evidence for this from the accounts of Salamis; the usual morning wind through the channel affected the Persian fleet much more than the Greeks. The real deciding factor may have been that the Persian rowers were exhausted; the Persian anchorage at Phaleron was about 5 miles from the Greek anchorage. The Persian rowers had pulled this distance for their “demonstration”, then pulled back to Phaleron, then rowed to Salamis again, then fought a day-long battle against Greeks who had spent the night on shore and who only had a short distance to go to engage.


Strauss starts each chapter with a character sketch of an individual – Herodotus, Themistocles, Artemisia of Hallicarnassus, and so on. These are written in a “you-are-there”, almost novelistic style, and are generally successful. Strauss pays a lot of attention to detail, with clothing, food, materials, and methods all described (there is an extensive bibliography, organized by chapter, but no footnotes). The book has excellent maps showing both the strategic and tactical situations, plus photographs of the area around Salamis to give some idea of how it would have looked from sea level. Although there is a photograph of the reconstructed trireme Olympias (a commissioned vessel in the Hellenic Navy) it would have been handy to have some detailed drawings, especially of the way the oarsmen were arranged.


I liked the book, even though I had a lot of questions about dubious points. It’s a good combination of scholarly research and popular history, and I think I’ll get some of Strauss’s other works. ( )
  setnahkt | Dec 19, 2017 |
Just before dawn on 25 September 480 BC, a Persian armada sailed out of the harbour at Phaleron, just along the coast from Athens. The ships took up position at the entrance to some narrow straits between the Greek mainland and an island called Salamis, where the Greeks had taken refuge. Their fragile alliance, so the Persians had been told, was on the brink of collapse. All they needed was to provoke panic: the Greeks would crumble. And… well, it didn’t quite happen as planned. What unfolded over the next twelve hours was one of the greatest sea-battles of antiquity, and Barry Strauss’s book brings it to pulsing, vivid life. This isn’t a story of nautical jargon and dry-as-dust tactics: it’s swashbuckling of the first order, set against a mighty clash of civilisations, and populated by a cast of characters so colourful that it’s easy to forget it all actually happened...

For the full review, please see my blog:
https://theidlewoman.net/2017/11/28/50704/ ( )
  TheIdleWoman | Dec 16, 2017 |
Another event that saved Western Civilization. ( )
  clarkland | Sep 15, 2015 |
Fascinating and well written summary of the Battle of Salamis, a crucial Greek naval win in the Greco-Persian War of the 400s B.C. The author has made this narrative interesting and not too scholarly for the general reader such as myself. We are informed as to the causes of the war, important battles up to that time {Artemesium--naval battle ending in a draw] and Thermopylae, the Spartans' "last stand" in spite of treachery and overwhelming odds. Then there are the factors leading up to the decision to face off against the Persians at sea from the Greek base on the island of Salamis. Eurybiades, the pragmatic Spartan, chief admiral of the Greek sea forces, defers to Themistocles in matters of strategy and planning. The author calls the Athenian "a latter-day Odysseus." By a ruse, the cunning Themistocles tricks the Persians into coming to Salamis to battle it out--just where Themistocles wants them to be. Themistocles knows the help he'll get from the geography and from the weather. Description of the one-day battle was fantastic; maps of each stage were invaluable. Then we follow the Great King's retreat. Salamis was not the last battle in the war, but a turning point; the author uses the analogy of a Gettysburg vs an Appomattox. I enjoyed reading about some of the unknown [to me] historical participants: Aeschylus the playwright as a participant and eyewitness; Artemesia, the wily woman admiral and queen of Halicarnassus; Aminias of Pallene, who may have started the battle, and others. I thought the last part of the subtitle a bit grandiose.

I thought easily the best parts were descriptions of a trireme and her crew with which Strauss opens the book and of ancient sea warfare both at Salamis and in general! I realize the author based his text heavily on primary sources: Herodotus, Aeschylus, Plutarch, and Timotheus, and on later writers' interpretations but I felt uneasy about so many "if"s, "maybe"s, "it could have happened this way" and other speculations including the [speculative] physical descriptions of the main players that opened nearly every chapter. Highly recommended. ( )
  janerawoof | Dec 10, 2014 |
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Wow, well, certainly a lot of localised myth and bullshit but the basic issues were correct.
The Persians were victim to local horseshit and the locals were privy to real-time data, as we were to term it today. Add that to arrogant Persian navy mistakes - as if their exhausted crew could outperform for thirty hours at a stretch flawlessly...ridiculous!

The Persians were fooled into diving into battle prematurely and when their rowers were exhausted beyond belief from two days of rowing in the open sea...they were easy prey to the waiting and disciplined Greeks.
Once again sad that so many lives were lost to futility of purpose, futlity of resolve, futility of understanding.
 

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On a late September day in 480 B.C., Greek warships faced an invading Persian armada in the narrow Salamis Straits in the most important naval battle of the ancient world. Overwhelmingly outnumbered by the enemy, the Greeks triumphed through a combination of strategy and deception. More than two millennia after it occurred, the clash between the Greeks and Persians at Salamis remains one of the most tactically brilliant battles ever fought. The Greek victory changed the course of western history -- halting the advance of the Persian Empire and setting the stage for the Golden Age of Athens. In this dramatic new narrative account, historian and classicist Barry Strauss brings this landmark battle to life. He introduces us to the unforgettable characters whose decisions altered history: Themistocles, Athens' great leader (and admiral of its fleet), who devised the ingenious strategy that effectively destroyed the Persian navy in one day; Xerxes, the Persian king who fought bravely but who ultimately did not understand the sea; Aeschylus, the playwright who served in the battle and later wrote about it; and Artemisia, the only woman commander known from antiquity, who turned defeat into personal triumph. Filled with the sights, sounds, and scent of battle, The Battle of Salamis is a stirring work of history.

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