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De la nature humaine : Justice contre pouvoir

par Noam Chomsky, Michel Foucault

Autres auteurs: John Rajchman (Introduction)

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Two of the twentieth century's most influential thinkers debate a perennial question. In 1971, at the height of the Vietnam War and at a time of great political and social instability, two of the world's leading intellectuals, Noam Chomsky and Michel Foucault, were invited by Dutch philosopher Fons Edlers to debate an age-old question: is there such a thing as "innate" human nature independent of our experiences and external influences? The resulting dialogue is one of the most original, provocative, and spontaneous exchanges to have occurred between contemporary philosophers, and above all serves as a concise introduction to their basic theories. What begins as a philosophical argument rooted in linguistics (Chomsky) and the theory of knowledge (Foucault), soon evolves into a broader discussion encompassing a wide range of topics, from science, history, and behaviorism to creativity, freedom, and the struggle for justice in the realm of politics. In addition to the debate itself, this volume features a newly written introduction by noted Foucault scholar John Rajchman and includes additional text by Noam Chomsky.… (plus d'informations)
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Chomsky's parts are interesting, if revealing of his always tendentious reasoning. (Something he is not doubt neither shy nor regretful about, nor unaware of.) This is problematic in a few passages where he seems to pretty blatantly assume what is to be proven, etc. But he makes some intersting points.

Focault... why is this guy so famous? He can't communicate clearly. He wanders all over without ever really making a point, continually begging off, continually hedging. Where he takes a stand it is to say, essentially, might makes right. As long as "right" people are powerful... maybe... except maybe not... but might does make right... sort of.

Now, let me spend 25 pages talking about shepherds, as explanation, history and analogy (you, reader, attempt to choose in what mix) for what could have been said in a page and a half.

Bleh. ( )
  dcunning11235 | Aug 12, 2023 |
an awkward debate. mostly chomsky misunderstanding foucault, and foucault attempting to find some common concerns to speak to. foucault develops an interesting conception of a "grille" that filters generational mentalities, and has a good quip abt the proletariat seizing power, but thats abt it in terms of interesting material ( )
  sashame | Mar 31, 2022 |
An interesting debate to be sure. As a whole, this book felt more like footnotes, or a dinner discussion; nothing was decided and nothing tied the debate and the other interviews in the book together. The most useful part of the book was that Foucault gave some solid historical evidence for things that he cites a lot in his better-known stuff that I had to read in college. ( )
  et.carole | Jan 21, 2022 |
Convinced most of the difference here is that Foucault is French and the good Noam is American but idk
  theodoram | Apr 7, 2020 |
Foucault has a very dark and nihilistic stance i.e there is no real freedom or true creativity ; we are all victims to the "Power Principle" and he does make a very convincing case for the same .

Chomsky on the other though tends to agree , postulates the idea that creativity (ie toddler experiencing his environment) is not bound by this , but rather driven by a "positive urge" to reach an individuals highest potential .

I am quite well versed with Chomsky's work ; but Foucault has been a revelation ; also never seen Chomsky so acquiescent . Though touted as a "debate" it comes of as an amicable discourse (mostly) between both intellectual behemoths with brilliant moderation by dutch philosopher Fons Elders.
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  Vik.Ram | May 5, 2019 |
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Two of the twentieth century's most influential thinkers debate a perennial question. In 1971, at the height of the Vietnam War and at a time of great political and social instability, two of the world's leading intellectuals, Noam Chomsky and Michel Foucault, were invited by Dutch philosopher Fons Edlers to debate an age-old question: is there such a thing as "innate" human nature independent of our experiences and external influences? The resulting dialogue is one of the most original, provocative, and spontaneous exchanges to have occurred between contemporary philosophers, and above all serves as a concise introduction to their basic theories. What begins as a philosophical argument rooted in linguistics (Chomsky) and the theory of knowledge (Foucault), soon evolves into a broader discussion encompassing a wide range of topics, from science, history, and behaviorism to creativity, freedom, and the struggle for justice in the realm of politics. In addition to the debate itself, this volume features a newly written introduction by noted Foucault scholar John Rajchman and includes additional text by Noam Chomsky.

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