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Encounter with Tiber (1996)

par Buzz Aldrin, John Barnes

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An Apollo 11 astronaut and the Nebula Award-nominated author of Directive 51 present a novel that "conveys the wonder and promise of space" (Publishers Weekly). Born the year of the Moon landing, Chris Terence spends his life fighting to return humanity to that pinnacle. An engineering student with dreams of spaceflight, he finds upon graduation that the United States no longer has need for astronauts. Years of bureaucratic meddling have reduced the space program to a shell of itself, and it will take the greatest scientific find in history to send humanity skyward once more.   After years battling budget hawks, Chris finally gets his chance to walk on the Moon. While there, he finds evidence of an ancient alien civilization, the Tiberians, who visited Earth's satellite eight thousand years before. Understanding what happened to those long-forgotten travelers will define the lives of Chris and his son, as they fight against all odds to unlock the secrets of the universe. "The collaboration of the first man to pilot a moon lander (Aldrin) with a major voice in contemporary science fiction (Barnes) has produced a fascinating chronicle of man's first encounter with alien intelligence" (Booklist).  … (plus d'informations)
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This book was interesting, but ultimately unsatisfying.

The real strength of this book is discussion of the technical aspects of various lunar and extra-solar missions. If that's your thing, this is probably a good book for you. After all, it's written by somebody who really ought to know that stuff, and it shows. It's very readable, and does not drown you in technical information; it gives just enough to be interesting. There's lots of fascinating speculation about possibly-achievable technologies that are really quite cool. There's also a lot of interesting narrative about how various agencies and people work or do not work together (e.g., the swirling controversy over the names of the planets and aliens). Without these, I do not think I would have made it to the end.

This book has two main weaknesses: plot and character.

The story is really three almost-independent stories of different times, loosely tied together by a fourth narrative of the generation that builds on that. None of the stories follows the usual three-act formula for a plot, and it really would have been better if they had. The first story is the story of Chris Terence, scientist and astronaut, who is a key player in the discovery and deciphering of an alien signal from Alpha Centauri. Unfortunately, he doesn't actually *do* much: there is no triumph (this part is basically a tragedy), but neither the successes nor the failures have all that much to do with him. The second part is the story of the aliens, thousands of years ago. This again is basically a tragedy, in this case caused by their own evil. The third part is back in our time; Chris Terence's son goes to Mars to help get the alien technology. Unfortunately, he doesn't actually *do* anything particularly noteworthy; they go there, nothing out of the ordinary happens, and they manage to get the alien goodies. The fourth, overarching narrative is the next generation's trip to the aliens' homeworld. Again, though, nothing happens. They get on the ship, they potter around for a few years, they arrive, and--well, that's the end, everybody!

The characters here are also weak. The aliens were simply awful; they started out as possibly sympathetic protagonists, but by the end you *wanted* them dead, along with all the humans they interacted with. That story was just a pile of ugliness with nothing redeeming it, and I never want to hear about those characters again. The human characters in the other stories started out as somewhat interesting. They could have been much more interesting if they ever *did* anything, e.g., had to make some difficult choices, or had to triumph over some tragedy, or face off against some bad person or force, or really if anything important happened to them and they had to cope.

This book was written before 2000, and it's about the early 2000s. Turns out, writing prophetically is hard. The predictions (even apart from the alien signal) were completely, laughably wrong. That doesn't necessarily doom an SF book, though; you can just think of it as alternate history. (But it's interesting to ask the question: why were their predictions about the direction of society, and the equalization of wealth, so completely wrong? They must have started with some wrong assumptions.) ( )
  garyrholt | Nov 5, 2020 |
This book was interesting, but ultimately unsatisfying. It has two main weaknesses: character and plot.

The good thing about this book is discussion of the technical aspects of various lunar and extra-solar missions. If that's your thing, this is probably a good book for you. After all, it's written by somebody who really ought to know that stuff, and it shows. It's very readable, and does not drown you in technical information; it gives just enough to be interesting. There's lots of fascinating speculation about possibly-achievable technologies that are really quite cool. There's also a lot of interesting narrative about how various agencies and people work or do not work together (e.g., the swirling controversy over the names of the planets and aliens). Without these, I do not think I would have made it to the end.

Now for the less-than-good things. First, the plot.

The story is really three almost-independent stories of different times, loosely tied together by a fourth narrative of the generation that builds on that. None of the stories follows the usual three-act formula for a plot, and it really would have been better if they had. The first story is the story of Chris Terence, scientist and astronaut, who is a key player in the discovery and deciphering of an alien signal from Alpha Centauri. Unfortunately, he doesn't actually *do* much: there is no triumph (this part is basically a tragedy), but neither the successes nor the failures have all that much to do with him. The second part is the story of the aliens, thousands of years ago. This again is basically a tragedy, in this case caused by their own evil. The third part is back in our time; Chris Terence's son goes to Mars to help get the alien technology. Unfortunately, he doesn't actually *do* anything particularly noteworthy; they go there, nothing out of the ordinary happens, and they manage to get the alien goodies. The fourth, overarching narrative is the next generation's trip to the aliens' homeworld. Again, though, nothing happens. They get on the ship, they potter around for a few years, they arrive, and--well, that's the end, everybody!

The characters here are also weak. The aliens were simply awful; they started out as possibly sympathetic protagonists, but by the end you *wanted* them dead, along with all the humans they interacted with. That story was just a pile of ugliness with nothing redeeming it, and I never want to hear about those characters again. The human characters in the other stories started out as somewhat interesting. They could have been much more interesting if they ever *did* anything, e.g., had to make some difficult choices, or had to triumph over some tragedy, or face off against some bad person or force, or really if anything important happened to them and they had to cope.

This book was written before 2000, and it's about the early 2000s. Turns out, writing prophetically is hard. The predictions (even apart from the alien signal) were completely, laughably wrong. That doesn't necessarily doom an SF book, though; you can just think of it as alternate history. (But it's interesting to ask the question: why were their predictions about the direction of society, and the equalization of wealth, so completely wrong? They must have started with some wrong assumptions.) ( )
  garyrholt | Nov 5, 2020 |
“’First of all, the burst of base eight numbers are coming in groups of 16,769,021, with a longer break between each group. Ad what makes that interesting is that some bright people ran it through a simple factoring program and discovered that it’s equal to 4093 times 4097 – two prime numbers.’”

In “Encounter with Tiber” by Buzz Aldrin, John Barnes

"I've written a novel in SF genre, and we 'all know' that SF is nothing more than a pile of badly-written misogynistic tripe fit only for pimply teens with socialization issues. But I'm so edgy, and post-modern and ironic so it's not really a 'proper' SF novel, which we 'all know' has to top being badly-written, etc., but actually a 'crossover' novel. And here comes nervous giggle."

I heard something like this a long time ago when this novel come out. I can't remember the exact words, but the above “quote” more or less represents what I can still remember after all these years. Really, I know these people (the "literati establishment" before you ask) and their attitudes towards what they call "genre" literature and especially "juvenile" genres like SF. I'd bet you an arm nervous apologetic giggles were present in talks when stupid people tried dissng this novel back in the day (maybe even today). Sad thing is I really thought these attitudes died somewhere in the early nineties, thanks to a large extent to authors that stupid people blithely dismisses as habitual producers of "unreadable garbage."

SF's so diverse and has been going on for so long that any attempt at an answer has to be tailored to the individual reader. Maybe a quarter of what's currently in print will appeal to you, but it'll be a different quarter for each individual reader. Be prepared to read things you might not think you ought to - they may be more fun, and at worst will give you an idea of what you don't want, but they'll help you develop your stamina. That said: try starting with short story anthologies from the 70s and 80s. By then commercial and artistic pressures were roughly in synch and the general public were still being invited to join in without an exam. If you think of SF as a 'genre' and define it by content you may miss out on a lot; try thinking of it as a way of reading and a set of stories that are more fruitful if read that way. To learn this way, and get a feel for what's out there and how to develop your own preferences, a diverse array of short pieces is more useful than a thumping great book, even a very good one (and, as everyone's already said, Gene Wolfe is waiting for you after a short nursery slope). Some of Terry Carr's anthologies are still around online or in libraries. Anything that won a Nebula Award (the writers' own award, as opposed to the fan-voted Hugos which are increasingly as reliable as the Eurovision Song Contest) is worth a shot.

Cyberpunk was odd in that there were a lot of writers who'd read literature trying not to do the old 'well-rounded character' thing because it was the 80s and Michel Foucault was 'in'. The whole point of the narrative was to use technology to disperse the unified 'self' and that rather militates against what you're looking for. So try skipping that whole generation and, when you're ready, go for near-future settings populated by people. Off the top of my head, Ian MacDonald's 'The Dervish House' and Maureen McHugh's 'China Mountain Zhang' might be a good way in. Oh, and one last point: don't expect to become a Master of SF in fifteen minutes a day. This is like deciding to like cricket or become Welsh for an afternoon. You're in it for the long haul.

In the future, everyone will be naked and swim through the breathable liquid on space ships. Bodies will gracefully slide past each others ever strong, youthful and lithe nanoBot repaired forms. They will have pink and electric blue hair which fluffs out around their heads in a perfect gently shimmering sphere, micro circuit patterned irises will frame pupils that sparkle with intra-ocular augmented reality systems informing them about those to whom they are communicating, tracing histories and memories now shared in common. Instrument panels blinking like an Andy Warhol avant-garde movie, illuminating them with waves and polka dot lozenges of primitive and complimentary colours. Then the barest of touch, fingertip to fingertip, eyelids in perfect synch for the briefest of moments as their eyes and gaze meets, heads dip and smile. Outside the large arc of windows, star trek star fields will fly by at many times the speed of light.

I hate Star Trek Wars and Babylon 5 and all that rubbish, except for the early Kirk and Spock ones with the cardboard scenery and the preposterous fight scenes... but I soft spot in my heart for novels like “Encounter with Tiber” even with its problems. I don't want 'plausible', coherent, unscientifically-literate visions of the future written by teams of professional SF script-writers. I want badly-written dystopias populated by a smorgasbord of biological improbabilities that break every known rule of the universe, at the end of which nothing of any moral or educational value is learned - by either any of the characters or me. I want sexism. I want misogyny. I want prejudice, anger, envy and bitterness towards the whole of mankind. I want blood. I want war. I want BALDIES! And I'm now going to monitor this post like a hawk for references to the very worst that SF has ever produced, then I'm going to hunt them down and devour them. SEND ME YOUR JUNK.

The best comment I can make about this novel is: "I'm not shaken, I'm buffeted by this book." Pay close attention to the way Aldrin and Barnes use different narrative voices to add depth to the texture of the novel. Brilliant!

NB: Docked one star because 4097 is not prime (it is divisible by 17) Sorry Aldrin. See the Star Trek paragraph above. It’s still one hell of a cringey blunder. Aldrin deserves a proper lashing…In 1996 I almost stopped reading as I came across this glaring faux-pas! I wonder how no spaceship fell from the skies in the writing of this novel…I’m glad I persevered. It’s still a good yearn after all these years but not as good as my 1996-old-self thought it was. It needs a strong astringent corrective for some anthropocentric assumptions on the part of BOTH authors regarding Tiberean behaviour and motives. “Blindsight”, a book I particularly enjoyed for challenging the assumption that intelligence must mean consciousness, as well as considering aliens that are not simply humans with a different body form. Would have been quite apt in “Encounter with Tiber”, questioning the lazy assumptions that permeate a lot of SETI thinking. But as I wrote elsewhere, you can't have everything. Still a solid 4 stars after all these years.

SF = Speculative Fiction. ( )
  antao | Aug 2, 2019 |
A generational saga that I wish we had already started. ( )
  jefware | Mar 26, 2015 |
Too long. It's a reasonable idea, reasonably well executed, but spread out over far too many pages. The info dumps of longwinded practical physics explanations regarding orbital mechanics and space ship design, are sort of interesting, but not well suited to their placement in a novel.

As a story it is told from a young scientist/historian going out to visit an alien homeworld, but then reminisicng over her previous historical writings and giving us the history of how she came ot be there in three massive chunks - the history of her granduncle and how the world could have developed a lot more space flight than we currently have, a massive historical excerpt from 7000BC when the aliens visited, and a near future chunk which is the history of her father, and the exploration of the alien artifacts that got her sent to space.

Obviously a lot of thought and care has gone into the physics (and biology!) of the technologies, the limitations of today's materials influencing spaceship design and some speculations about how we could circumvent this if we were serious about establishing more a space presence. The sociological implications of such a space drive a mere wishful thinking. This is both pleasing, in that hard SF is always more believable than hand-wavy SF, but much harder to read as it's been presented in some very dry chunks. The only issue I'd really quiblle with is the ZeroPoint Laser. While the Casmir effect is well known, I'm not at all sure you can extract lasing energy from it.

Given all that dryness the characters actually work ,quite well. Much better than expected! The long chunks of one personal story allow you to feel for how it is at the pushing front of space exploration, not taking risks, but not always operating in known conditions either. The inter-personal relations of such a tight team are well played out.

I'm assuming the Buzz wrote most of the technical side of it and John Barnes tidied it all together into a novel - but I still think there would have been a better way to do it than a 600pg monolith. Perhaps cutting over a third from each section would have been a good way to start! Strangely Buzz gets another ten pages at the back of family history and photos while John gets a half page bio. Oh well such is the price of fame.

More readable than I expected, but dry in places. For a famous name author it could have been a lot worse! and worth picking up if you're interested in near future space stories. ( )
  reading_fox | Aug 1, 2014 |
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An Apollo 11 astronaut and the Nebula Award-nominated author of Directive 51 present a novel that "conveys the wonder and promise of space" (Publishers Weekly). Born the year of the Moon landing, Chris Terence spends his life fighting to return humanity to that pinnacle. An engineering student with dreams of spaceflight, he finds upon graduation that the United States no longer has need for astronauts. Years of bureaucratic meddling have reduced the space program to a shell of itself, and it will take the greatest scientific find in history to send humanity skyward once more.   After years battling budget hawks, Chris finally gets his chance to walk on the Moon. While there, he finds evidence of an ancient alien civilization, the Tiberians, who visited Earth's satellite eight thousand years before. Understanding what happened to those long-forgotten travelers will define the lives of Chris and his son, as they fight against all odds to unlock the secrets of the universe. "The collaboration of the first man to pilot a moon lander (Aldrin) with a major voice in contemporary science fiction (Barnes) has produced a fascinating chronicle of man's first encounter with alien intelligence" (Booklist).  

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