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The Science of Discworld IV : Judgement Day

par Terry Pratchett, Jack Cohen, Ian Stewart

Autres auteurs: Sandra Kidby (Illustrateur)

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Séries: La science du Disque-Monde (book 4), Disque-monde (Science IV)

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The fourth book in the Science of Discworld series, and this time around dealing with THE REALLY BIG QUESTIONS, Terry Pratchett's brilliant new Discworld story Judgement Dayis annotated with very big footnotes (the interleaving chapters) by mathematician Ian Stewart and biologist Jack Cohen, to bring you a mind-mangling combination of fiction, cutting-edge science and philosophy.Marjorie Daw is a librarian, and takes her job - and indeed the truth of words - very seriously. She doesn't know it, but her world and ours - Roundworld - is in big trouble. On Discworld, a colossal row is brewing...The Wizards of Unseen University feel responsible for Roundworld (as one would for a pet gerbil). After all, they brought it into existence by bungling an experiment in Quantum ThaumoDynamics. But legal action is being brought against them by Omnians, who say that the Wizards? god-like actions make a mockery of their noble religion.As the finest legal brains in Discworld (a zombie and a priest) gird their loins to do battle - and when the Great Big Thing in the High Energy Magic Laboratory is switched on - Marjorie Daw finds herself thrown across the multiverse and right in the middle of the whole explosive affair. As God, the Universe and, frankly, Everything Else is investigated by the trio, you can expect world-bearing elephants, quantum gravity in the Escher-verse, evolutionary design, eternal inflation, dark matter, disbelief systems - and an in-depth study of how to invent a better mousetrap.… (plus d'informations)
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This is not my favourite of the Science of Discworld books, but I’m not all that surprised by that, given that Pratchett was in his final years when he helped write it. (The vim and brio are lacking for me in a lot of his later work.) The science chapters are probably about the same quality as they’ve always been, but the framing Discworld story felt even looser and more didactic than the others have.

Bear in mind it’s been years since my last Science of Discworld so I might just be misremembering things. It happens. And that I read this primarily on long-distance transit while not completely awake, so there’s that too.

Science first, because why not. I liked that the authors tackled belief systems and knowledge to cap off the series. I didn’t learn much—which might be part of what was lackluster, come to think of it—but it felt like a very fitting way to end things, to talk about what’s known, what knowing things means, how we’ve come to know fundamental things about the earth, the universe, and physics in general, and how religions fit into the picture. It’s as encompassing and inclusive as Discworld and the Science of Discworld books usually are. They’re not saying that religion is wrong or untruthful, just that it’s different sort of truth than science provides. (There are also some discussions that continue from past books a bit, such as evolution, in that we’ve learned more since they were written.)

The Discworld segments, though… They’re a bit one-note and they felt slow. There’s not much going on besides the trial, which takes a while to get to and get through, and even though the Wizards are collecting evidence in the meantime, we don’t see that much of their work. They also don’t really feel like themselves? Sort of a watered-down version? None of that got to me really, though. What bugged me most was the addition of Marjorie Daw.

I can see the narrative point of bringing her in as an outsider POV in the chaos of the Wizards, but she didn’t seem to have much to do besides that. Ask a few questions in a quasi-Socratic dialogue and occasionally make outbursts, but that was it. Oh, and provide a little bit of atheist/librarian humour. She didn’t feel believable to me, let alone rounded the way I’m used to, and it make the whole thing feel a bit flat as a result. Like adding her was a cop-out.

So now I come down to my usual questions of whether I’d recommend this and to whom. I’m not sure. The science sections are interesting with some good food for thought but I didn’t find them enlightening or mind-blowing, but the Discworld parts are nothing to write home about. I guess if you’re a completist Discworld fan? If you’ve read the other Science of Discworlds? But this isn’t the one to start with, by any means.

Warnings: Sexism. Religious extremists, slightly mocked. Possible shaking of one’s beliefs about the world and one’s role in it, though probably not to the point of existential crisis.

6/10 (7 but it lost points with Marjorie.) ( )
  NinjaMuse | Jul 26, 2020 |
I really liked this book. It goes through a lot of cutting edge science and history of science material, woven in with a story about a librarian from England accidentally transported to Unseen University on Discworld. This book goes through some of the cultural myths that inspired the turtle and elephants that hold up Discworld, as well, and provides a nice glimpse at L-space, the odd interdimensional space where all libraries intersect and exist. ( )
  JBarringer | Dec 30, 2017 |
I'm not sure how much of this was written by the late, great Sir Terry, but I didn't see much of his signature wit in it. It is, however, a fine overview of how a scientific perspective differs from a mystical perspective. Science, the authors claim, is universe-centered. We are a consequence of the way the universe is. Mysticism and religion tend to be human-centered, placing Man (somewhat arrogantly) as the reason for the nature of the universe. Obviously, there is much discussion about the Anthropic Principle (both Strong and Weak). They also challenge the claim that science is a belief system, not unlike that of religions. The key reason it's not is that virtue in religious belief systems is gauged by faithful acceptance of the dogma/scriptures/dictates of the religion and accepting them as true. In science, the greatest virtue comes from challenging current beliefs and discovering ways in which they are flawed. ( )
  DLMorrese | Oct 14, 2016 |
Jag undrar hur mycket av detta som faktiskt skrivits av Terry Pratchett. Hans namn står ju trots allt där på omslaget, till och med större än Ian Stewarts och Jack Cohens, som torde vara de som står för huvuddelen av innehållet. För inte kunde väl den där fördärvliga sjukdomen ha satt sig så hårt på sir Terry att han inte kunde åstadkomma bättre än det här?

Jag har inte läst någon av de tidigare böckerna som kallar sig The science of Discworld (rimligen borde det finnas tre, men helt säker kan man ju inte vara), men jag antar att upplägget var detsamma där med blandade kapitel, där i vartannat trollkarlarna hittar på dumheter med jordens tidslinje, och i vartannat Stewart och Cohen lägger ut texten i något ämne med vetenskaplig anknytning. Man får vidare förmoda att sir Terry då skrivit om trollkarlarna och att det hela på så sätt kombinerat nöje med något som kanske kan kallas nytta.

Så har det uppenbarligen inte gått till här, för historien om skivvärlden är platt, närmast tråkig, utan schvung i dialog eller berättande, och ett närmast plikttroget sätt att refererande till de olika delserierna. Hade de inte varit så korta hade man hoppat direkt till de mer resonerande texterna.

Inte för att de är så fantastiska, heller. Hela boken verkar vilja vara någon slags uppgörelse med tron, men hamnar allt som oftast i andra ämnen som snabbt hafsas förbi utan att förklaras närmare (och när de talar om evolution håller de på med tramsiga analogier som kommer farligt närma att låta evolutionen ha ett mål). Visst, ibland är det rätt bra, som när de avfärdar den antropiska principen, men ofta så framstår de snarast som mindre vältaliga varianter av Richard Dawkins.

Nej, jag tror inte jag kommer få försöka tag på tidigare böcker om Skivvärldens vetenskap. Denna räckte mer än väl. ( )
  andejons | May 14, 2016 |
I find it very interesting that scientists will present an extensive argument against the existence of the spiritual realm without allowing a single actual voice from that realm to be heard. Experiences of mystics, extensively documented, visions of deities, evidence for esp., recorded premonitions, careful examinations of religious belief and practice by such eminent minds as William James, all ignored. Why it's almost as if science is yet another religion that cannot bear to examine the claims of its rivals. And, as other reviewers have noted, the Discworld story that forms an interested frame for the other volumes in the series is reduced to a minimum in this volume.
  ritaer | Mar 12, 2016 |
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Terry Pratchettauteur principaltoutes les éditionscalculé
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Stewart, Ianauteur principaltoutes les éditionsconfirmé
Kidby, SandraIllustrateurauteur secondairetoutes les éditionsconfirmé
Kidby, PaulArtiste de la couvertureauteur secondairequelques éditionsconfirmé

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The fourth book in the Science of Discworld series, and this time around dealing with THE REALLY BIG QUESTIONS, Terry Pratchett's brilliant new Discworld story Judgement Dayis annotated with very big footnotes (the interleaving chapters) by mathematician Ian Stewart and biologist Jack Cohen, to bring you a mind-mangling combination of fiction, cutting-edge science and philosophy.Marjorie Daw is a librarian, and takes her job - and indeed the truth of words - very seriously. She doesn't know it, but her world and ours - Roundworld - is in big trouble. On Discworld, a colossal row is brewing...The Wizards of Unseen University feel responsible for Roundworld (as one would for a pet gerbil). After all, they brought it into existence by bungling an experiment in Quantum ThaumoDynamics. But legal action is being brought against them by Omnians, who say that the Wizards? god-like actions make a mockery of their noble religion.As the finest legal brains in Discworld (a zombie and a priest) gird their loins to do battle - and when the Great Big Thing in the High Energy Magic Laboratory is switched on - Marjorie Daw finds herself thrown across the multiverse and right in the middle of the whole explosive affair. As God, the Universe and, frankly, Everything Else is investigated by the trio, you can expect world-bearing elephants, quantum gravity in the Escher-verse, evolutionary design, eternal inflation, dark matter, disbelief systems - and an in-depth study of how to invent a better mousetrap.

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