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Anaximander par Carlo Rovelli
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Anaximander (édition 2016)

par Carlo Rovelli (Auteur)

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"The bestselling author of Seven Brief Lessons on Physics illuminates the nature of science through the revolutionary ideas of the Greek philosopher Anaximander Over two millennia ago, the prescient insights of Anaximander paved the way for cosmology, physics, geography, meteorology, and biology, setting in motion a new way of seeing the world. His legacy includes the revolutionary ideas that the Earth floats in a void, that animals evolved, that the world can be understood in natural rather than supernatural terms, and that universal laws govern all phenomena. He introduced a new mode of rational thinking with an openness to uncertainty and the progress of knowledge. In this elegant work, the renowned theoretical physicist Carlo Rovelli brings to light the importance of Anaximander's overlooked influence on modern science. He examines Anaximander not from the point of view of a historian or as an expert in Greek philosophy, but as a scientist interested in the deep nature of scientific thinking, which Rovelli locates in the critical and rebellious ability to reimagine the world again and again. Anaximander celebrates the radical lack of certainty that defines the scientific quest for knowledge"--… (plus d'informations)
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Titre:Anaximander
Auteurs:Carlo Rovelli (Auteur)
Info:Westholme Publishing (2016), Edition: 1, 232 pages
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We denizens of planet Earth are in a peculiar fix nowadays. Science generates the powerful technology that enables us to destroy the ecosystems of which we are a part, and science shows how our present trajectory leads us to such destruction. But we stay quite firmly dedicated to more more more of what we kill us. We're not so much suicidal as tragically blind. Is it blindness to refuse to look, like the cleric who refused to look through Galileo's telescope?

Nobody is fighting over competing fundamental scientific theories to any significant extent. The battles are much more about the nature of science, about philosophy of science. That is another facet of our peculiar fix. Our scientific knowledge is astoundingly broad and deep. These days maybe it's biochemistry at the most fruitful frontier, but then... really, we are detecting the collisions of black holes, by observing the resulting gravity waves? But however secure our fundamental scientific theories appear, the debates over the nature of scientific knowledge seem ever more unresolved. Most scientists, proud of the reliability of their scientific knowledge, sneer at philosophy of science. "I know what I'm doing, just fund my research!" But just because a person is highly skilled at activity X, that does not mean they have any expertise at what X is all about, how it evolves, how it fits into the bigger picture.

Rovelli is a scientist and no expert in philosophy of science. But he does not sneer at philosophy of science. He has a basic insight about some of the paradoxical nature of scientific knowledge and understands how important it is for people to grapple with these ideas. His insight is, roughly, that the power of science is grounded on an awareness of the limits of scientific knowledge. Science embodies a constant drive to overturn itself. This drive is not a weakness of science, but its strength.

This book has an easy popular style. You won't need a college degree to understand it. Considering the huge importance of the ideas it discusses, publishing a book like this is a real public service.

The danger here is that, while the book discusses a profound idea, it doesn't really explore it in any real depth. Avoiding the depths does make the book a much easier read, but it also opens the book up to easy criticism. With some luck, perhaps the real experts in philosophy of science will take up the project. But of course those experts have their own projects underway, most of which will not be compatible with Rovelli's project. Most philosophy of science seems to be about designing a system, a refined form of scientific practice, that will produce even more solidly reliable knowledge. The minority position is that modern science is unreliable and should be rejected because of all the damage it has done and the greater damage it seems poised to do. Rovelli's project is to point to a third possibility, how uncertainty and reliability can actually support each other. Perhaps it will take a generational cycle for these sorts of ideas to take hold.

One way that I would push a bit deeper with Rovelli's ideas is to put the scientific advances he describes into a richer historical context. For example, Anaximander can be seen as one of the embodiments of the Axial Age that Karl Jaspers noted. Rovelli portrays mythic-religious thinking as very static. But of course it is not. It's true that religion is a lot more respectful of tradition than science is. But one thing is the way that people talk about what they're doing, and another thing is what they are actually doing. Religious revolutionaries will generally present themselves as recovering some ancient truth that had been lost along the way.

OK, Thales, Pythagoras, Anaximander, they didn't have much use for the gods. But in the place of the gods they put mathematical formalism or mechanism. The gods can evolve in unpredictable ways. Mathematical truths are static eternal fixtures. So, is it science or religion that is more dynamic?

Another curious puzzle that I don't think Rovelli pointed out... the great revolutions in physics, relativity and quantum mechanics, happened around the time of World War 1. This was a time when many traditional structure were up-ended.

Science is not some free-floating enterprise that the rest of us just watch in slack-jawed wonder. Science is fully integrated into society and even the planetary ecological web. The folks who dream of interplanetary travel, who are convinced that Star Trek is a prophetic glimpse of our inevitable future... to what extent has science become yet another mytho-religious faith?

Anyway, Rovelli has brought us, with this book, a fresh look at some of the most crucially important topics of our time. He acknowledges that he is out of his depth. I hope folks with the relevant expertise will pick up the ball that he has tossed onto the field. ( )
1 voter kukulaj | Nov 5, 2023 |
What opens our minds and shows the limits of our ideas is encounters with other people, other cultures, other ideas. I will note, in passing, that all of this can serve as a warning for us today, that each time we, as a nation, a continent, or a religion look inward in celebration of our specific identity, we do nothing but lionize our own limits, and sing of our own stupidity.

Each time that we open ourselves to diversity, and ponder that which is different to us, we enlarge the richness and intelligence of the human race.


Rovelli is quickly becoming a "go-to" author for me.

I love his trips back to the beginnings of specific areas of thought, and I truly enjoy his blending of both science and philosophy.

Wonderful book. ( )
  TobinElliott | Jul 27, 2023 |
The First Scientist is an excellent English translation of Anaximandre de Milet, ou la naissance de la pensée scientifique.
Detailed through the eyes of the scientist Rovelli, the significance of Anaximander's contribution is fully explained in its sheer profundity, rather than from the perspective or focus of Greek philosophy, history or archaeology. Rovelli is eloquent in conveying the importance of understanding Anaximander's contribution: "Scientific theories, for example, have been interpreted as constructions whose value is limited to their directly verifiable consequences, within given domains of validity...we lose sight of the qualitative aspects of scientific knowledge and in particular of science's ability to subvert and widen our vision of the world. These qualitative aspects are not only inextricable from scientific thinking and essential for its functioning - they even constitute its primary motivation and reason of interest." Essential reading for children and adults. ( )
  IslesOfMine | Mar 29, 2016 |
It was Anaximander of Miletus (b -610, d -545) who first held that Earth is a finite body floating in space; that evaporation and rain are parts of a natural water cycle; that lightning and earthquakes are not supernatural; that land animals evolved from sea creatures; and that laws of nature exist. He respectfully modified the theory of a predecessor (Thales), and physicist Rovelli uses this and other things to opine on the philosophy of science (uncertainty OK) and to point out that religionistic "thinking" is what we *don't* need. Right on.
1 voter fpagan | Jun 6, 2013 |
Questo è uno splendido testo che dimostra come si possa scrivere un agile saggio di cultura tout court da un punto di vista squisitamente scientifico, da parte di un fisico teorico attento ai fondamenti anche filosofici. Scardina molti luoghi comuni sulla scienza e sul relativismo, rimarcando il ruolo decisivo del pensiero greco nella costruzione della modernità e, in definitiva, del progresso umano. Lo consiglierei anche ai liceali, come minimo per fare giustizia del pensiero presocratico, ma soprattutto per l'importanza del ruolo culturale del pensiero scientifico.
  cmnit | Apr 17, 2013 |
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Why Anaximander deserves to be called ‘the first scientist’. A mere fragment survives of the Greek philosopher’s work, but other sources attest to his bold ideas about the universe, human evolution and the weather.

It’s a daring thing to write a whole book about a man while confessing early on that ‘we know almost nothing of his readings, life, character, appearance or voyages’, and of whose writings only a three-line fragment survives. Luckily, as with many ancient authors, the works of the 6th-century BC philosopher Anaximander are described in subsequent treatises, and a resourceful writer can infer much from this evidence about what might have been ‘the first great scientific revolution in human history’.

Anaximander, a Greek citizen of the cosmopolitan port Miletus, on the coast of what is now Turkey, was as far as we know the first human to say that the Earth was an object floating in space with no means of support (elephants, turtles, or what have you). Why didn’t it fall? Because there was no preferred direction in which to fall: it was indifferent to directions. (It would take millennia before it was understood that you could say the Earth is constantly falling around the sun.) So, in contrast to all other ancient civilisations, which pictured the heavens above and the Earth below, Anaximander insisted that the very ideas of ‘up’ and ‘down’ were relative.

The sole example of his own verbatim writing we have, meanwhile, from a treatise On Nature, is brief enough to quote in full.

All things originate from one another, and vanish into one another according to necessity; they give to each other justice and recompense for injustice in conformity with the order of Time.

In Carlo Rovelli’s rather thrilling exegesis, this too becomes revolutionary, both in its positive claims – things happen out of ‘necessity’, so there is a causal order to the universe; all things are made up of more fundamental entities – and in what it signally refrains from saying: that any of this is controlled by the gods.

Indeed, according to later authors, Anaximander is also the first to give an entirely naturalistic explanation of weather, doing away with thunderbolt-hurling Zeus and chums. Rain, he says, is water that has evaporated from the ocean and been blown over the land. True! Perhaps most impressively, he intuited that, rather than having been divinely created, human beings must have evolved from earlier life forms and that the first life probably originated in the sea before crawling out on to land.

With this book, first published in Italian in 2009 and already published in English with a small US house in 2016, Rovelli is a long way from being the first to have noticed Anaximander’s importance. No less a luminary than Karl Popper called the Greek’s declaration that the Earth is a body suspended in space ‘one of the boldest, most revolutionary, and most portentous ideas in the whole history of human thinking’. But Rovelli is also addressing the present, mounting an energetic attack on the persistence of religious thinking, which on original publication at least might have caught the tail end of the new-atheism bubble but is not really necessary here to buttress his positive arguments.

His polemical theme, above all, is a laudable and passionate request that, as a culture, we navigate better between the Scylla and Charybdis of absolute scientism (the idea that we know everything for sure) and absolute relativism (the idea that all ‘ways of knowing’, as the pomo anthropologists have it, are equally valid). In contrast to the former, he pictures science as a ship of Theseus, of which every part is subject to change – yet still it floats. As a punchy counter-argument to the latter trend, meanwhile, Rovelli points out that when the Jesuits showed Chinese astronomers in the 17th century that the Earth was actually round, in contrast to their own traditional flat-Earthism, they immediately adopted the idea: not because it was imposed by colonialism, but because they could see that it was true. So, too, he argues correctly that the scientific tradition kickstarted by Anaximander is not merely ‘western science’ but the inheritance of the whole world.

‘I’ve given up giving up things for Lent.’
Against the 20th-century giants of philosophy of science, meanwhile, especially Thomas Kuhn and his The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, Rovelli wants to emphasise unfashionable notions of progress in scientific history. In mathematics, for example, ‘the Babylonians developed the concepts that, in our time, are studied by seven-year-olds’, while science as a whole is more cumulative (and so reliable) than the expounders of abrupt theoretical change imagine.

Rovelli is himself a theoretical physicist as well as a bestselling populariser of physics, and his wonder at his subject – science, he insists, is ‘visionary’; also ‘critical and rebellious’ – is palpable, even unto a sort of Wittgensteinian mysticism. (‘The very distinction between the world and our thought is an enigma,’ he writes gnomically.) Which is not to say that the book ignores more earthly matters, as when the author lets his hair down and indulges in some sardonic punditry:

Each time that we – as a nation, a group, a continent, or a religion – look inward in celebration of our specific identity, we do nothing but lionise our own limits and sing of our own stupidity.

The cosmopolitan geniuses of the ancient world who began the systemic study of natural philosophy, one imagines, would have agreed.
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"The bestselling author of Seven Brief Lessons on Physics illuminates the nature of science through the revolutionary ideas of the Greek philosopher Anaximander Over two millennia ago, the prescient insights of Anaximander paved the way for cosmology, physics, geography, meteorology, and biology, setting in motion a new way of seeing the world. His legacy includes the revolutionary ideas that the Earth floats in a void, that animals evolved, that the world can be understood in natural rather than supernatural terms, and that universal laws govern all phenomena. He introduced a new mode of rational thinking with an openness to uncertainty and the progress of knowledge. In this elegant work, the renowned theoretical physicist Carlo Rovelli brings to light the importance of Anaximander's overlooked influence on modern science. He examines Anaximander not from the point of view of a historian or as an expert in Greek philosophy, but as a scientist interested in the deep nature of scientific thinking, which Rovelli locates in the critical and rebellious ability to reimagine the world again and again. Anaximander celebrates the radical lack of certainty that defines the scientific quest for knowledge"--

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