Can anything be done about wrong work relationships?

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Can anything be done about wrong work relationships?

1wester
Fév 12, 2023, 7:11 am

I noticed that there is a "contains" relationship between https://www.librarything.com/work/15130416/ and https://www.librarything.com/work/25244855, but the latter just contains a review of the former. Is there anything that can be done about that?

2MarthaJeanne
Fév 12, 2023, 7:15 am

You can edit the relationship.

3Petroglyph
Fév 12, 2023, 7:44 am

I removed the incorrect relationship and then added "is a commentary on the text of".

Looks like the other two need the same treatment.

4wester
Fév 12, 2023, 8:25 am

Thanks.
Is it possible to actually edit a relationship, or just to add and remove them?
I do agree with >3 Petroglyph: that the other relationships of https://www.librarything.com/work/25244855 need the same treatment.

5Nevov
Fév 12, 2023, 10:28 am

>4 wester: No, you aren't missing anything, it's not possible to edit, so removing and re-adding under the correct relationship is the way.

6wester
Fév 12, 2023, 11:46 am

OK. I removed the incorrect relationships, added correct ones, and know now what to do do next time.

7wester
Fév 12, 2023, 1:29 pm

One more thing: the guy who has added this particular relationship has done the same thing (marking something containing a review as something containing the work) for many more books. Do you think we should alert him that this is not how it should be done?

8MarthaJeanne
Fév 12, 2023, 1:58 pm

You should probably send staff a message about it (with details).

9Nevov
Fév 12, 2023, 2:57 pm

>3 Petroglyph:
I'm uncertain on using "is a commentary on" in this situation – because if a magazine contains several articles, some of which are reviews, but the magazine itself as a whole isn't a commentary on the other work. If you see what I'm getting at? It's the review that's the commentary, the magazine contains the review. I only add a "commentary" relationship when the whole work is a commentary (though I wouldn't remove it if done in the way you use it in >3 Petroglyph:). Just wanting to make sure, if we're going down the route of making suggestions for how the user should/shouldn't be adding relationships about magazine reviews, that we don't give advice that might not be widely done and cause the user even more confusion.

10Petroglyph
Fév 12, 2023, 7:15 pm

>9 Nevov:

I agree that it isn't the most accurate name for the relationship, but among the ones on offer that's the one that I thought was closest to "is / contains a review of". (Perhaps to Tim's Antiquity-centric mind "commentaries" are more central than reviews, idk)

I did not realize I was setting a precedent.

I only add a "commentary" relationship when the whole work is a commentary

The set of relationships "allowed" by the system indeed assumes whole-to-whole relationships. So how are part-to-whole or part-to-part relationships handled? E.g. a short story in an anthology is later expanded into a longer publication? A single chapter is a scathing debunking of an entire book?

These are honest questions -- I truly do not know how these things are usually handled.

11waltzmn
Fév 12, 2023, 8:31 pm

>10 Petroglyph: These are honest questions -- I truly do not know how these things are usually handled.

I've had a lot of questions about this in the past, and gotten plenty of confusing answers. :-) There are relationship types that LibraryThing just can't cover. Sometimes you just have to go for the "weakest" relationship possible.

A few threads with examples of my personal problems with this :-) --

https://www.librarything.com/topic/342799#n8012174
(This one arises out of problems with the LT definition of "What is a work."

https://www.librarything.com/topic/333735#n7562837
(Textbooks which have changed authors over the years.)

https://www.librarything.com/topic/346158#unread
(This just arises out of problems figuring out which book is which, so it's far less important.)