De facto Precedent Biden creates ten thousand million jobs

Job and unemployment numbers are misleading. The way many politicians use those economic metrics hides the devastating failings of American business culture for the past several decades.

But, anyway, the core purpose of President Biden's economic speech on August 5th appears to have been to bring up the latest legislation to be signed:

• Inflation Reduction Act
• Paycheck Protection Program
• Bank Fraud Enforcement Harmonization Act
• Economic Injury Disaster Loan Fraud Statute of Limitations

Since then, there's of course been further changes. The employment numbers tracked by the federal government continued to increase.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/09/02/remarks-by-...

"In August, the economy created 315,000 new jobs" adding to "nearly" 10 million new jobs since President Biden took office.

In today's speech, he mentioned the American Rescue Plan and the Build Back Better Regional Challenge.

Full videos are also available from the White House on YouTube.

https://youtube.com/c/WhiteHouse/videos

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

from the YouTube commentaries:

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Bob Smith
13 hours ago
THAT is how they counted the votes, too!

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parfz61

13 hours ago
i swear I’ve seen this like a tleast fifty hundred thousand times 😂

PolitiFact cited U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics' total non-farm employee measure as proof that nearly 10 million jobs have been created since the current POTUS took office. (The specific number in August was a little over 9.7 million.)

Going to those stats, you can see the White House missed an opportunity to highlight for fiscal conservatives that the employment numbers have already recovered since the drop from the COVID-19 pandemic. It's now the same as it was at the peak of Trump's presidency despite starting lower in January 2021 than it was in January 2017.



https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PAYEMS

(The conflation of "jobs" and "employees" is bothering me, though. That's another missed opportunity to talk about what's happening in the economy. An increase in employees is a better sign of growth than are jobs created but not necessarily filled.)

>6 aspirit:
Yes, indeed. The challenge for Democrats is to do a better job of translating these numbers into effective soundbites. I don't like writing that, but it's true.

Statistics--especially encouraging statistics, unlike catastrophic-sounding data--aren't very effective in the political arena.

"I want to thank all of you here, including bipartisan elected officials like Rep. McGovern, Sen. Braun, Sen. Booker, Rep. — Jackie, are you here? Where's Jackie? I thought she was going to be here — to help make this a reality."
-- Joe Biden, speech,
(https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/bidens-mental-sharpness-is-increasingly-doubtful-and-its-a-serious-issue )

and, his "on-deck" stand-by?

..."So the United States shares a very important relationship--which is an alliance with the Republic of North Korea" (Sic)
-- Vice President Kamala Harris

LOL !!!!

President bids dead woman to stand and be recognized; Vice Presidents touts ally, Kim Jung Un, of North Korea.

We're now a cartoon nation--Looney Tunes.

>8 proximity1: "We're now"...?

The UK saw in 2020, "Trump blunders: From Covfefe to 'Thighland' – some of the president’s most embarrassing gaffes".
Link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-embarrasing-gaffe... (paywalled)

Twitter still shows a "thread for those who think @realDonaldTrump
could find Ukraine on a marked map" as "George Conway Taunts Donald Trump With A Long List Of His Geopolitical Gaffes".
Links: https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1222142875078725635 (tweet thread)
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/george-conway-donald-trump-geopolitical-gaffes_n_... (news article)

Before that were yearly or even monthly curated lists, such as the comedic "Trump's Best Words: 2019 Edition" on The Daily Show.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE9BXkQ-SRca

There was some new embarrassment every day under that presidential administration. That was peak looniness.

Do you remember the rise? Many of us were cringing so hard it hurt under President Dubya (2001—2009). The jokes about his actions could only be funny by pretending there weren't real consequences.

I had to go digging for a credible source on Vice President Harris's blunder. (That's a big one if true.) The best I'm finding is video from FOX Entertainment, which has misleadingly shared falsified news clips before.

An interesting factoid that come up, though, is that Harris "is the highest-ranking US official to visit the DMZ since Donald Trump met with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un in 2019." That's the opposite side, the one that's currently supplying Russia with weapons and personnel in the war against Ukraine. When did Trump visit South Korea?

That's how "Trump’s claim the DMZ is no longer 'very dangerous'" in 2017 came up for me. Seems appropriate for this thread while the current presidential administration is talking, possibly mispeaking, about the Korean peninsula.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/01/politics/donald-trump-north-korea-dmz-fact-ch...

ETA: I've looking more closely at George Conway's tweet thread brought up, "Trump said he spoke with North Korea, but it was actually South Korea". That mix-up was at a dinner with journalists in 2018.

https://qz.com/1222154/trump-said-he-talked-to-north-korea-but-it-was-actually-s...

>10 aspirit:

Lame "Whatabout-ism" .

Infrequent verbal slips and advanced dementia are NOT THE SAME THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When did Trump confuse as living a person who'd died only weeks previously, openly addressing the supposed-living person, as though perhaps present in the audience?--just mentioned above-- when?

Let me help you: NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>11 proximity1: Keep trying. The demented old twat is on his last leg, and then you'll be without a fuhrer. What are you going to do then? Do you think Desantis is going to lead your pathetic load of fascist losers into some promised land? You think Cruz can do the job? His dead-loss offspring are certainly not going to rise to the occasion.

Heh.The old problem with autocrats is the same as the solution: they die. Trump's looking pretty shaky these days, and your desperation is showing as clear as day. Trump is old, and trumpism is dead, and with it dies your Iron Dream.

>11 proximity1: Seriously? When did Donald Trump ask about a dead person he tries to come off as knowing? The answer isn't anything close to "never". It's one of many types of disturbing slip-ups he's known for. Examples...

"Trump Asks Pittsburgh Crowd How Deceased Football Coach Joe Paterno Is Doing" (2016)
https://freebeacon.com/politics/trump-asks-pittsburgh-crowd-deceased-joe-paterno...
Note that this is an extreme right-wing (politically conservative) website! It's just that the article is pre-election of Trump as POTUS, which seems to be when conservatives became afraid to not pretend he was in any way fit for the position. (By the way, Paterno had been dead for years by that speech.)

"Trump sees dead people. And they talk." (2018)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-hears-from-the-dead-and-they-like-...

"Trump Asks Woman Where Her Family Is After She Told Him Twice That They Were Killed by ISIS" (2019)
https://www.mediaite.com/news/awkward-trump-asks-woman-where-her-family-is-after...

I just now caught on that this topic was made to suggest President Biden has dementia. That really wasn't clear initially.

>11 proximity1: Infrequent verbal slips and advanced dementia are NOT THE SAME THINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, that's not why medical professionals and random people through the general public believe Donald Trump has dementia. It's more his tendency to ramble nonsense and forget both professional and personal information.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/02/untreatable-and-uncurable-psychiatrist-says-tru...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/09/does-donald-trump-have-dementi...

With Joe Biden, we know he has a speech impediment. He publicly acknowledged his life-long stuttering in 2019. That's likely from a neurological disorder. However, he usually excels at remembering people, places, workplace structure, laws that apply to him, etc. He's a few years older than Trump but generally considered healthier both physically and mentally. A sudden decline would be big news.

>13 aspirit:

LOL!!!!!

THIS BULLSHIT (Trump sees dead people. And they talk." (2018)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-hears-from-the-dead-and-they-like-....
) is so typical of the TDS crowd's lying crap.

Referring to some (obviously understood by Trump --UNLIKE THE LAME MORON, BIDEN, as now dead and departed) as "looking down" (from Heaven) is in NO way analogous to Biden's demented blunder. Biden asked if the Congresswoman was in the audience--the IN PERSON, not in ghostly spirit.

Again, when did Trump actually pull that kind of boner?

NOT here, either:

"Trump told the audience, 'I know a lot about Pennsylvania, and it’s great. How’s Joe Paterno? We gonna bring that back? How about that whole deal?'

There, Trump evokes Paterno's name and and record -- as in "How about that Joe Paterno?" He wasn't even implying Paterno was alive, let alone asking him to stand up in the crowd then-present and "take a bow."

In the example of the Yazidi woman

(Trump Asks Woman Where Her Family Is After She Told Him Twice That They Were Killed by ISIS" (2019) https://www.mediaite.com/news/awkward-trump-asks-woman-where-her-family-is-after... ( I recommend readers view this and judge for themselves.)

speaking to Trump in the oval office, she repeatedly refers to "we cannot go back", it is "not safe for us to return" (despite the fact that "ISIS is gone"). While referring to a certain number of members "of my family", the woman never claims that she has no remaining living relatives. Rather, she refers to "my people" unable to find a suitable refuge and unable to return to their homeland. It's in this context that we understand Trump's query, "Where are they now?"-- referring to living refugees, not the corpses of dead people.

Your crap is insulting.

You GOT NUTHIN'.

> 15
What about the toilet paper on the shoe heel? - Shall I put in a link to that so we can all again have a good laugh? That "boner" was by The Count of Mostly Crisco, not Dark Brandon.

And what about blatantly and repeatedly cheating at golf? Eating buckets of KFC in bed at night? Putting ketchup on well-done steak? Banging whores while his wife is at home pregnant? Paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to shut up the whores, yet they talk in the end - one of which says Darth Traitor has a micro-penis shaped like a mushroom?

Who made a reference to the fact that if his daughter wasn't his daughter then he'd like to bang her because she is so hot? Who, with naked eye, stared directly at the eclipse of the sun? Who denigrated a republican U.S. Senator - a POW and acknowledged war hero - as a loser, unworthy of our admiration? Who makes fun of and mocks handicapped people in public? Who had to pay back
millions of dollars to victims he grifted concerning his fake university? What about his business acumen of going bankrupt three times, once being his bankrupt casino? How about his tens of thousands of documented lies? How about his not paying his bills so that no one will do any kind of business or "deal" with him now? How about his stating he can declassify classified documents with his thoughts? How about a guy who even lies about his weight, his height and his state of health? How about a guy who holds bibles upside down or quotes "Two Thessalonians"? How about a fart blossom who quotes Nazis, white supremacists and Q-anon insanity in order to appeal to his political base?

All of the above applies to Darth Traitor, not Dark Brandon.

The only thing bigger than Darth Traitor's lard ass is his
malignant narcissistic ego.

That joke about a poor man who felt sorry for himself because he had no shoes - until he met a man who has no class? - That's Darth Traitor - he has NO class. That is who he is.

This conversation is providing on-site examples of how it's difficult to tell when a speaker is mentally/physically well.

So you know what? I'm going back to my initial assumption about this topic.

☆ Economics ☆

The Inflation Reduction Act in the news:

"‘Landmark’ climate law turns up the power on Pa. solar, wind, hydropower energy projects" and is already creating new jobs in Pennsylvania as companies prepare to take advantage of the tax credits.
https://www.post-gazette.com/business/bop/2022/09/06/pennsylvania-renewable-ener...

"Savannah-area officials plan to use climate incentives in Inflation Reduction Act" in Georgia.
https://www.gpb.org/news/2022/09/06/savannah-area-officials-plan-use-climate-inc...

The recently passed Inflation Reduction Act doesn’t have “climate” in its name but it’s described as the “most significant climate legislation ever enacted by Congress.”

It’s expected to bring an estimated $180 million of investment in large-scale clean power generation and storage to Georgia by 2030, add almost 110,000 clean energy jobs in the state over five years and provide rebates and tax credits for individuals buying electric vehicles or retrofitting their homes with solar panels or energy efficiency measures.

Nationally: "Biden's climate change bill may produce your next job, and a half-million careers in all" says CNBC
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/08/biden-climate-act-may-create-your-next-job-and-a...

KEY POINTS

• The Inflation Reduction Act is expected to create 550,000 new jobs in industries producing renewable electricity, advocates say, more than doubling the size of the cleantech sector.

• Hiring has already picked up, according to companies in the climate change technology business.

• From EVs to carbon-neutral power generation, new plant announcements have come from Honda, Toyota and First Solar since the law was signed last month.

>15 proximity1: Yet you defend this nut who talked out loud of swallowing disinfectant or using ultraviolet light to ward off covid? Who trusted Putin over his own intelligence services. Who betrayed the Kurds who had fought alongside our own forces for years in Northern Iraq---giving their homeland away to Turkey with the bs logic of 'where were they in WWII?'---once again like many times before proving that when it came to any kind of real historical perspective he was functionally illiterate.

>15 proximity1: Again, when did Trump actually pull that kind of boner?

I think that's not really a problem the old man has these days - much to Melania's relief, no doubt!

>18 lriley:

More shameless distortions and outright lies.

I've heard it repeatedly claimed that, when it comes to Trump, there are so many outrageous things he's really said or done that there is no need to resort to lying about him.

I haven't found this to be true at all.

To make Trump look bad, his adversaries take his words, strip them of their contexts, distort their plain meanings and mix them with outright vicious lies--all of it done as often as not by so-called "professional journalists."

>20 proximity1: Okay, let's have some put up or shut up. Let's take one example, so you can't dodge: What's the context that makes sense of Trump suggesting that we drink bleach to cure covid?

We'll get to the other ones later on, for now let's just look at that one. If you think that's been twisted by those journalists with all their big words and facts and stuff, bring the footage where that claim that he made makes sense.

What's the part they left out? If you can't provide it, then your claim in >20 proximity1: is a lie and you're admitting it. Simple assignment, let's see how long it takes you to back up your claim (which is bullshit, and you're going to prove that for us by not being able to back it up, and then making up a bunch of reasons why it's not fair like a typical whining little MAGA-tard)

To be clear, I'm not talking about a link to someone's blog post where they make a bunch of bafflegab about it. I'm talking you providing the context that was removed around this clip. It's a pretty straightforward thing: either you've got it, or you don't.

Before posting on Trump's statement on covid in #18 I actually took the time to look up his own quote because I didn't want to say Clorox or even bleach if he actually said something else and Donald openly mused about injecting disinfectant--clean the lungs out he even posited. I'm sorry if Prox doesn't like that but it is what the numbskull said and right after the ultraviolet light remark. It's my opinion (and I think there are more United States citizens who agree with me than not) that Donald never took the Covid pandemic seriously at all. That other people dying had almost no effect on him at all. He didn't care as long as they weren't in his circle of friends, family and close admirers. That his handling of the pandemic led to a lot more death and disease than would have happened under some normally wired national leader. He was way more interested in the wealthiest 1%'s bank accounts.

By the way I didn't come here to gleefully point this out like Prox in #15 thinking here is another gotcha Biden moment. I voted for Joe but I certainly wanted the Dems to put up someone better. The almost total lack of empathy by Donald for the death of so many when much of it could have been prevented it's not something to later on chortle about. We're a country that more often than not IMO has had poor leadership but Donald IMO took that into uncharted territory and ran about as far with it as he could at the same time tearing away at the fabric of society that should hold us together. His 4 years were so far off the norm he actually turned the Cheney's into almost sympathetic figures. That took some doing. He's done much damage.

>21 kiparsky: I'm sorry if Prox doesn't like that
Between you and me, I think Prox really does like being wrong. If he didn't, I can't imagine why he'd dedicate so much time to it.

>22 lriley: it's almost impossible to talk to people who have bought into all the lies these days. It's just more moving of the goalposts....more hostility and they don't want to actually go back and look at what he said or even in the case of the Jan. 6 insurrection see for themselves the rioters busting through the police lines and breaking through the doors and windows.

>22 lriley: There are entire books about this, including Nightmare Scenario: Inside the Trump Administration's Response to the Pandemic That Changed History by journalists Yasmeen Abutaleb and Damian Paletta.

I could see locally how the idiotic and nearly incomprehensible statements Trump made as POTUS about the novel coronavirus, treatment and vaccine research, and public health caused deaths.

His fans were ready to believe anything regardless of how it hurt emergency responders, other service workers, their neighbors and coworkers, their families, and themselves. It's disturbing that anyone would even think about making excuses for his worst statements.

Trump was a grown person in one of the most important political positions in the world. Even a random, semi-public joke about using household disinfectant on the body would have been scandalous. Yet he got away with a serious suggestion about injecting it at a press conference. That's beyond "looney" and well into "horrific".

He ensured the pandemic was a nightmare for millions of Americans.

President Biden is currently allowing the CDC to confuse everyone with vague and seemingly unscientific recommendations. That's been encouraging self-harm. But he at least isn't instigating violence against medical workers and screwing up distribution of medical supplies like the guy he replaced did.

>22 lriley:

... "I actually took the time to look up his own quote because I didn't want to say Clorox or even bleach if he actually said something else and Donald openly mused about injecting disinfectant-" ...

You did?

So, then, AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(WHERE &) When did Trump confuse as living a person who'd died only weeks previously, openly addressing the supposed-living person, as though perhaps present in the audience?--just mentioned above-- when?

SO CITE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The crap you post here is deliberately distorted to suit your malign purposes. That, for me, explains why you didn't/don't bother to CITE YOUR SOURCES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>26 proximity1: do you know how to use google Prox? I'm thinking you don't. I'm thinking you have never used YouTube either. It's not hard really. Give it a try and get back to us. Maybe you can show us the Victor David Hansen version or whatever the fuck his name is.....put the best face you can on it.

I don't give a rat's ass whether you believe me by the way. That's your issue.....not mine.

>27 lriley:

No, no -- You joined in, supported a fatuous claim. --while, as for aspirit, he's dropped out, equally unable to back up his claims.

I challenged you to back the disputed claim up with a cited reference and predicted correctly, that you neither would nor could do that.

Q.E.D.

You: "can't put up", "can't shut up" RE the Lying shit you post.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One more example below of pure shit from the Combover King. Is he mental, i.e., does he think that if he says something is true then that makes it true, regardless of the facts? His own sister, a clinical psychologist, says Darth Traitor is a malignant narcissist who can never, ever admit he is wrong about anything, ever. In layman's terms he is fucking sick in the head. - - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J98rgakZfE

Addendum - No one has mentioned yet that he is a full-blown racist. E.g., he once stated that he has no problem with people from Norway (i.e., white people) immigrating to the U.S. but he is foursquare against immigration to the U.S. from shithole countries in Africa.
Darth Traitor is the shithole, a racist shithole.

>28 proximity1: Sweetheart, I didn't drop out of the thread. I went to sleep, which is what many people do at night. I'm not on this site 24/7 anyway.

Or were you talking about how I stopped playing your game of "Trump Can Do No Wrong"? I'm sorry if you're struggling with that, but as I tell children, everyone should agree to play. You can't force others into your idea of fun.

It's very much a not a fun game for people who see how much harm that con man has caused and aren't interested in pretending he hasn't.

Calling others liars for pointing out what is common knowledge is certainly not going to encourage anyone to take your posts seriously, either.

However, I am impressed by the number of exclamation points here. That is a bold choice. Very artistic.

Now I'm going to be away for a while. I haven't forgotten this topic. I actually like it--I've been learning from it since the first post--but need to check on other things. Then I'll be back with info on the Paycheck Protection Program if I found anything interesting. That might be this afternoon assuming nothing more pressing comes up.

>29 JGL53: No one has mentioned yet that he is a full-blown racist.

There are already topics for that, aren't there?

Maybe we need new ones that go over how that fits into his whole, infantile personality.

Hm. Sounds like Prox is very much concerned with having people support their claims since he read >21 kiparsky:. Fascinating - it's almost like he thinks nobody's going to notice that he's got no response if he just shouts loud enough.

>29 JGL53:

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Talk Search "Trump" + "racist" About 934 results

https://www.librarything.com/search.php?search=Trump+racist&searchtype=talk&...

... "For progressives, ideology trumps all; their fervent belief that they possess the absolute truth about the human condition is paramount. If people do not conform to this vision, then there is something wrong with them, and they must be punished or written off." ... "a small group of well-off, powerful elites who are in the grip of a dangerous ideology they were taught at our leading schools. Convinced that they are the best and the brightest, that they enjoy vast privileges because they are more enlightened than everyone else, they hold all whose beliefs or actions challenge their notions in contempt. They either won’t or can’t see the truth, so the hell with them."
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The Politics of Contempt | J. Peder Zane | RealClearPolitics |
COMMENTARY | 29 September 2022

>28 proximity1: I swear---talking to you is like talking to someone who never left high school. Back in the days of 2014 when you had to make clear you were the biggest Clinton hater and Bernie booster on this site you never ever would say anything about any issue......it's always been this cult of personality with you. Some of us who actually wanted Sanders wanted him because we wanted things like health care access for everyone or a real discussion over climate front and center in a national dialogue but none of that has ever really interested you ever enough where'd you really articulate anything on any issue. It was always about your hatred of Hilary and your need for a messianic figurehead. They can talk about whatever the fuck and you just don't care. If there was ever an example of what came to be known as a Bernie Bro on this site it was you.....and when Bernie didn't get nominated you were surprised that not everyone who wanted Sanders to win weren't ready to follow you over to that orange baboon like lemmings over the cliff. Trump has always been easy for you hasn't he? He's never spoken substantively about any issues at all because substance on such has never ever been in his wheelhouse. Every once in a while though you Prox---yes you want us here to know that the Donald isn't the dumbbell we make him out to be. You have this need to prop him up......sometimes by tearing some other politician down. There are plenty of politicians that aren't all that smart so that's not that hard but when it comes to your favorite.....I'm sorry but yeah he is fucking dumb......has always been a clown.......has said all kinds of stupid shit.....quite often repeated the same stupid shit over and over. Did muse about injecting disinfectant......wasn't being sarcastic when he said it. Was and still is a fucking moron.

Paycheck Protection Program in the news... is more interesting but also more complex than I'd anticipated.

Let's start with background on the PPP. That starts during the Trump Administration. (Although I'm sorry that has to be brought up yet again.)

https://www.investopedia.com/your-guide-to-the-paycheck-protection-program-ppp-a...

Round / Legislation / Funding / Expiration
1 / H.R. 748 - CARES Act / $349 billion / Apr. 16, 2020
2 / H.R. 266 - PPP and Health Care Enhancement Act / $310 billion / Aug. 8, 2020
3 / H.R. 133 - Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021 / $284 billion / May 31, 2021

One of the many action the Biden Administration took in the its first month is prepare changes to the PPP. "These changes were designed to make PPP funds available to very small businesses and others that had been inadequately helped by the program" under the previous administration.

That matters because of who was previously benefiting: wealthy politicians.

"Businesses associated with GOP politicians had pandemic government loans forgiven" confirmed PolitiFact.com.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/09/06/fact-check-p...

In viral social media posts, 13 members of Congress (also members of the GOP) have been exposed as accepting large amount of federal funding for loan forgiveness the program, as shared by CAP Action. These included the following politicians, listed with how much they didn't have to pay back.

Greg Pence (R-IN): $79,441 This is Mike Pence's brother!
Marjorie Taylor Green (R-GA): $180,000
Ralph Norman (R-SC): $306,502
Matt Gaetz (R-FL): $476,000
Kevin Hern (R-OK): $1.07M
Roger Williams (R-TX): $1.43M
Vern Buchanan (R-FL): ~$2.8M
Carol Miller (R-WV): $3.1M
Brett Guthrie (R-KY): $4.3M

Related fact: Some of these politicians hold assets in Amazon. (MTG's disclosure for 2020 was linked in the Statesman article.)

Another related fact: Some if not all of these politicians have earned income from their assets in biotechnology and/or communication services during the COVID-19 pandemic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/data-congress-created-virus-aid-then-rea...