1JanEPat
I accidentally am now listed as a co author of a book that is not mine.
I'm not happy about this at all and can't figure out how to undo it.
PLEASE ADVISE.
I'm not happy about this at all and can't figure out how to undo it.
PLEASE ADVISE.
2MarthaJeanne
Done.
I checked WorldCat and Amazon. Even now there is no member book that includes this author.
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BTW if there were other authors publishing under the name Jan E Pat or Jane Pat, we could divide the books between them, but they would stay connected on a disambiguation page.
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In future, it really helps if you give URLs of a problem, and not just vague mentions of 'a book'.
I checked WorldCat and Amazon. Even now there is no member book that includes this author.
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BTW if there were other authors publishing under the name Jan E Pat or Jane Pat, we could divide the books between them, but they would stay connected on a disambiguation page.
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In future, it really helps if you give URLs of a problem, and not just vague mentions of 'a book'.
4JanEPat 
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I listed "Riddles Island" By Jan E. Pat on this site.
it's also available on Amazon.
If it's not showing up on Library Thing- please advise!
Also- I offered a 50 copy give away until Dec. 30 -- how do I promote that ? And ensure it's showing up somewhere?
TYVM. I'm new.
it's also available on Amazon.
If it's not showing up on Library Thing- please advise!
Also- I offered a 50 copy give away until Dec. 30 -- how do I promote that ? And ensure it's showing up somewhere?
TYVM. I'm new.
5Foretopman
>4 JanEPat: Where and how are you looking for it on LT? I don't have any problem finding it. Riddles Island
6lilithcat
>4 JanEPat:
I offered a 50 copy give away until Dec. 30 -- how do I promote that ?
In the Hobnob with Authors group: https://www.librarything.com/ngroups/8391/Hobnob-with-Authors I believe you have already been advised about that.
Do not promote your book in other groups, as that is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will just result in your posts being flagged and disappearing.
I offered a 50 copy give away until Dec. 30 -- how do I promote that ?
In the Hobnob with Authors group: https://www.librarything.com/ngroups/8391/Hobnob-with-Authors I believe you have already been advised about that.
Do not promote your book in other groups, as that is a violation of the Terms of Service, and will just result in your posts being flagged and disappearing.
7lorax
So this whole "Help, I don't understand that multiple authors can have the same name" was just a ruse to get attention before starting on the advertising? Bleah.
8JanEPat
Hi Lorax,
I was very upset when I found the strange post that looked like I was a co-author. You can call it a ruse. I was trying to follow the rules. It was strange and I'm glad it went away.
Are you a fan of Dr. Seuss? Have you read the Seuss-ish book, Dr Seuss's Horse Museum? Here's the review I wrote of it --
This book is an incredibly fun way to learn about art through Dr. Seussical illustrations. It's based on an unfinished manuscript of Theodore Geisel. An Australian illustrator, Andrew Joyner, finished it off, copying Seuss's style, and adding many characters of color.
The art is all HORSE ART, and features cartoons of museum goers looking only at paintings of horses by various masters. It's a fun trip through art history and horse history. I'm not a huge horse fan, but I love Dr. Seuss even though he's not perfect and a product of his era. It's on my coffee table.
I was very upset when I found the strange post that looked like I was a co-author. You can call it a ruse. I was trying to follow the rules. It was strange and I'm glad it went away.
Are you a fan of Dr. Seuss? Have you read the Seuss-ish book, Dr Seuss's Horse Museum? Here's the review I wrote of it --
This book is an incredibly fun way to learn about art through Dr. Seussical illustrations. It's based on an unfinished manuscript of Theodore Geisel. An Australian illustrator, Andrew Joyner, finished it off, copying Seuss's style, and adding many characters of color.
The art is all HORSE ART, and features cartoons of museum goers looking only at paintings of horses by various masters. It's a fun trip through art history and horse history. I'm not a huge horse fan, but I love Dr. Seuss even though he's not perfect and a product of his era. It's on my coffee table.
9Nevov
>8 JanEPat: It was strange and I'm glad it went away.
If you are interested at all to know (and who to credit), it was because >2 MarthaJeanne: carried out the repair work (as mentioned above, "Done" in reply >2) that your name was removed as an author from the book. There is a log of such author additions and removals kept on the site:
MarthaJeanne removed author "Pat, Jan E." from Futurespeak: A Fan's Guide to the Language of Science Fiction (secondary, all editions)
From the log it looks like just a plain user error that got your name linked onto there in the first place, which happens. There are various bits of the site that anyone can edit, and attributing works to the correct authors is one of them.
If you are interested at all to know (and who to credit), it was because >2 MarthaJeanne: carried out the repair work (as mentioned above, "Done" in reply >2) that your name was removed as an author from the book. There is a log of such author additions and removals kept on the site:
MarthaJeanne removed author "Pat, Jan E." from Futurespeak: A Fan's Guide to the Language of Science Fiction (secondary, all editions)
From the log it looks like just a plain user error that got your name linked onto there in the first place, which happens. There are various bits of the site that anyone can edit, and attributing works to the correct authors is one of them.
10LShelby
>6 lilithcat:
The OP doesn't seem to be interested in Hobnob. I'm not sure what we did to offend. But the straight truth is that Hobnob isn't a good place to promote a giveaway either. It's allowed, but I don't think it accomplishes anything.
Mostly the people on LT who are interested in Giveaways just go and look at the actual Giveaway listings, they don't come to Hobnob.
The best way to promote a giveaway here would be to become a regular in a group with a relevant topic. Stick around for at least a year, and then casually tag on a mention at the bottom of one of your regular posts. "I've got a book currently up in giveaways that is relevant to this thread, BTW." As long as its part of a post about something on topic, and you just say its there and nothing else, it isn't likely to offend anyone. And that way the friends you've been making over the past year might actually go check it out.
First, though, you have to have made friends.
Coming in as a stranger, there's nothing to be done but hope that the regular Giveaways crowd thinks your book listing looks interesting.
...Most book giveaways don't tend to be as useful as authors imagine anyway, but maybe I should leave that discussion for Hobnob where it belongs. :)
The OP doesn't seem to be interested in Hobnob. I'm not sure what we did to offend. But the straight truth is that Hobnob isn't a good place to promote a giveaway either. It's allowed, but I don't think it accomplishes anything.
Mostly the people on LT who are interested in Giveaways just go and look at the actual Giveaway listings, they don't come to Hobnob.
The best way to promote a giveaway here would be to become a regular in a group with a relevant topic. Stick around for at least a year, and then casually tag on a mention at the bottom of one of your regular posts. "I've got a book currently up in giveaways that is relevant to this thread, BTW." As long as its part of a post about something on topic, and you just say its there and nothing else, it isn't likely to offend anyone. And that way the friends you've been making over the past year might actually go check it out.
First, though, you have to have made friends.
Coming in as a stranger, there's nothing to be done but hope that the regular Giveaways crowd thinks your book listing looks interesting.
...Most book giveaways don't tend to be as useful as authors imagine anyway, but maybe I should leave that discussion for Hobnob where it belongs. :)
11lilithcat
>10 LShelby:
The best way to promote a giveaway here would be to become a regular in a group with a relevant topic.
Nope. Book promotion is not permitted in other groups.
The best way to promote a giveaway here would be to become a regular in a group with a relevant topic.
Nope. Book promotion is not permitted in other groups.
12lorax
I think, though, that something mentioned as an aside by an established member would be likely to be let slide. Especially if it was something like "These three books by other authors might be of interest, and I've also written one that's currently available as a giveaway". It needs to be truly relevant to a thread, though, not just tangentially related to a group. And certainly not sliding into a completely unrelated group with a complaint and then twisting that into a promotion.
13MarthaJeanne
It might depend a lot on whether or not the member's name was well known. Someone who only rarely posted would have the post flagged. By the second or third time it was tried, probably the profile as well. We're asked not to so as to teach new members the rules and encourage them to become active members, but if the 'teachable moments' don't work, patience wears out.
14LShelby
The reason I make a point of posting these kinds of responses is because rather than just chasing away authors with negative behaviors, I'm attempting to educate them.
Randomly posting book promotions in forums like ours is a complete waste of everyone's time: not just the forum's regular users, but also the authors themselves. Picking one or two forums and actually genuinely participating in them is more effective.
But if you just say "That doesn't work, and isn't allowed here anyway, go away!" the OP is more likely to become defensive and stubborn than to learn anything. I have noticed that some of them even come back and repeat the exact same pointless and unwelcome behaviors a year or so later.
So I'm trying a different approach. :)
I guess I can understand why some people would get grumpy about what I said, though. If people actually follow my advice about being a regular poster for a year and making friends, then in spite of the suggested offense against the TOS, I'm sure the community as a whole would get a net gain.
But if they ignore most of what I said and focus on just that one little bit, then we end up with people pretending to post on topic content just so they have an excuse to add a promotion at the end. That's not so good. :(
Randomly posting book promotions in forums like ours is a complete waste of everyone's time: not just the forum's regular users, but also the authors themselves. Picking one or two forums and actually genuinely participating in them is more effective.
But if you just say "That doesn't work, and isn't allowed here anyway, go away!" the OP is more likely to become defensive and stubborn than to learn anything. I have noticed that some of them even come back and repeat the exact same pointless and unwelcome behaviors a year or so later.
So I'm trying a different approach. :)
I guess I can understand why some people would get grumpy about what I said, though. If people actually follow my advice about being a regular poster for a year and making friends, then in spite of the suggested offense against the TOS, I'm sure the community as a whole would get a net gain.
But if they ignore most of what I said and focus on just that one little bit, then we end up with people pretending to post on topic content just so they have an excuse to add a promotion at the end. That's not so good. :(
15MarthaJeanne
If someone is basically interested in promoting their books, they are not going to be happy with LT. They are certainly not going to be interested in being active in a few groups for a year or more before promoting the book that is coming out now.
Any author who wants to be involved here needs to have read
https://www.librarything.com/privacy
https://www.librarything.com/about/authors
and follow the rules.
Any author who wants to be involved here needs to have read
https://www.librarything.com/privacy
https://www.librarything.com/about/authors
and follow the rules.
16LShelby
>15 MarthaJeanne: "If someone is basically interested in promoting their books, they are not going to be happy with LT."
Er...
It's not actually rare for writers to enjoy talking about books.
It's also not rare for people who write books to own and read a great many books and to therefore have a use for an online catalog.
They may not be happy with what happened when they tried to promote here, but that's hardly an issue. As a general rule, they aren't happy with how their promotion attempts turned out anywhere else, either. >:)
So, some of them are quite willing to stop attempting to promote for a bit and chat with me over in Hobnob about what marketing techniques might possibly work better, and other matters of writerly interest. And some of these people do join and participate in other groups here as well. I've seen it happen.
I think that if certain very active members were a little less strict and unfriendly towards incoming authors it might happen more often. But there are other active members who are always polite and helpful, and I do, in general, approve of LT's no promotions policy*, so whatever. (It's hard to make omelet without breaking eggs?) :)
*My favorite policy is still the one used by my first online writer's group, though. Only books that had not yet been published were on topic. It wouldn't be appropriate here, but it worked quite well amongst writers trying to discuss writing and the writing life, to clarify what was an acceptable topic and what wasn't.
The rule had one exception. If a book that had been discussed in the group while it was being written ever got published, we wanted to know that. A post announcing the publication of such a book was not only allowed, but practically insisted upon. There really is a big difference between someone telling their friends in a online community that they are an established member of that they've published something, and some stranger making a drive-by posting to the same effect. This exception allowed us to acknowledge that fact in a clearly defined way, that didn't leave the door open for creative fudging. :)
Er...
It's not actually rare for writers to enjoy talking about books.
It's also not rare for people who write books to own and read a great many books and to therefore have a use for an online catalog.
They may not be happy with what happened when they tried to promote here, but that's hardly an issue. As a general rule, they aren't happy with how their promotion attempts turned out anywhere else, either. >:)
So, some of them are quite willing to stop attempting to promote for a bit and chat with me over in Hobnob about what marketing techniques might possibly work better, and other matters of writerly interest. And some of these people do join and participate in other groups here as well. I've seen it happen.
I think that if certain very active members were a little less strict and unfriendly towards incoming authors it might happen more often. But there are other active members who are always polite and helpful, and I do, in general, approve of LT's no promotions policy*, so whatever. (It's hard to make omelet without breaking eggs?) :)
*My favorite policy is still the one used by my first online writer's group, though. Only books that had not yet been published were on topic. It wouldn't be appropriate here, but it worked quite well amongst writers trying to discuss writing and the writing life, to clarify what was an acceptable topic and what wasn't.
The rule had one exception. If a book that had been discussed in the group while it was being written ever got published, we wanted to know that. A post announcing the publication of such a book was not only allowed, but practically insisted upon. There really is a big difference between someone telling their friends in a online community that they are an established member of that they've published something, and some stranger making a drive-by posting to the same effect. This exception allowed us to acknowledge that fact in a clearly defined way, that didn't leave the door open for creative fudging. :)
