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1spartan
Modifié : Août 7, 2015, 6:16 am

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2hnau
Modifié : Août 7, 2015, 7:30 am

Leaving aside your belief or disbelief in creation:

The Bible does not mention Adam's navel (nor any other pornographic details about his body), so the artist can only guess whether there was a navel or not. Obviously, people at different times came to different conclusions:

Of course, from a functional view, Adam did not need a navel. But—inventing some reasons—as an engineer, God already had a blueprint of adult men in general, so why not create the first man according to that specification, too? Or, the navel might be symbolic for Adam being called a son of God. (After all, there is a lot of symbolism in these pictures.) Or ...

So it is more a question of the artist's traditions and cultural assumptions. It might be fun to find some real reasons for both views, and to make up some more.

3lilithcat
Août 7, 2015, 9:27 am

>2 hnau:

Of course, from a functional view, Adam did not need a navel.

Nor did Eve.

4hnau
Août 7, 2015, 9:49 am

Yeah, I forgot. Sorry, Eve.

5paradoxosalpha
Modifié : Août 7, 2015, 11:02 am

I dunno, maybe there was an umbilicus from Adam's rib to Eve's tummy?

Now Lilith, she had no navel!

6Taphophile13
Août 7, 2015, 11:43 am

I always liked Lilith.

7darrow
Août 7, 2015, 11:51 am

>2 hnau: hnau's answer is a good one but I would not leave aside belief or disbelief in creation. I would tell them that Adam and Eve were fictional characters. If they want to look for logical conundrums in the story there are many more things to question besides navel/no navel.

8lilithcat
Août 7, 2015, 2:12 pm

>5 paradoxosalpha:

Now Lilith, she had no navel!

Yes, I do!

9spartan
Modifié : Août 7, 2015, 4:38 pm

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10TotalBookcase
Modifié : Août 8, 2015, 9:02 am

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11hnau
Août 10, 2015, 5:19 am

>7 darrow: I just wanted to leave it aside for the sake of this discussion. Of course we want our children to undertand our worldview.

Going into further detail, the interpretation of the biblical text has also changed with time. E.g. when we read the story of creation in the light of ancient Near Eastern culture, it is more akin to a temple dedication ceremony, not a scientific account of creation.

(Sources: John H. Walton (a professor of Old Testament), The Lost World of Genesis One: Ancient Cosmology and the Origins Debate and several videos on YouTube).

12Raja.Jeni
Août 10, 2015, 5:39 am

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13spartan
Août 10, 2015, 6:57 am

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14EricJT
Août 16, 2015, 6:41 am

Couldn't you have explained that, as Adam and Eve were made in the image of God Genesis, i, 27, Adam (like Eve) had a navel because God had one?
Hmm, maybe not as that means God had a penis etc. .....

15Taphophile13
Août 16, 2015, 2:30 pm

But, but, . . . if God has a belly button, then that must mean he has a . . . mother! And who's his father?

16TotalBookcase
Modifié : Août 18, 2015, 5:04 pm

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17spartan
Modifié : Août 28, 2015, 2:31 pm

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18Taphophile13
Août 28, 2015, 1:45 pm

>16 TotalBookcase: "Mrs. God" and her husband

How do you know they were married? Did Maury say "you are the father"? Did he support young God? Where did God go to school? So many questions, so few answers.

19spartan
Modifié : Août 28, 2015, 2:26 pm

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20Marissa_Doyle
Août 28, 2015, 2:39 pm

>19 spartan: And if they weren't married, then who was the child welfare case worker who made sure child support was paid to keep little God in Cheerios and sandals?

21spartan
Août 28, 2015, 2:49 pm

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22Marissa_Doyle
Modifié : Août 28, 2015, 4:00 pm

>21 spartan: Well, yes...but what a creation myth we could come up with here...Coronation Street meets Genesis!

23jhicks62
Août 28, 2015, 3:53 pm

And if they WERE married, just who married them?

24Molly-the-Cat
Août 28, 2015, 4:26 pm

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25hawkwinds
Août 28, 2015, 4:31 pm

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26spartan
Août 30, 2015, 7:28 pm

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27Marissa_Doyle
Août 30, 2015, 10:17 pm

>26 spartan: Except they went rapidly downhill after Peter Gabriel left. Hmm. Gabriel.

28spartan
Modifié : Août 31, 2015, 2:30 pm

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29Molly-the-Cat
Sep 1, 2015, 7:20 am

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30hawkwinds
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31keigu
Sep 6, 2015, 9:43 pm

I'd say the clay that god us from must have been very elastic, so much so he made man in two dimensions like cookie cut-outs then poked a hole where the navel is and blew up man through it and it stretched out as man gained weight and once god's wet and salty breath filled him enough he tied the navel like we might a balloon. And let me add, I wish he blew more helium into us so we would be light enough to float. Don't ask me how to reconcile that with Eve. Haven't figured out that yet.

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Sep 7, 2015, 12:01 pm

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33spartan
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