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1Jaw1LA
Jan 4, 2014, 6:59 am

Here is the situation.

I found a great trading partner in a group called operation paperback on bookmooch.com . They were helping me get points that I could use with my own group called the LA IC Book Collective on Facebook.

I got eager about ordering a book and broke some rule...
They dredged up concerns that I have not done in years... ie. send some people my own thoughts or poetry in addition to a book they asked for...

I have a near perfect record on every other site I use.

I am tired of a 3+ month wait.

The last time I posted something here I got enough attention that communication began to happen.

So...

Here below is my communications to date:

Dear Book Mooch,

I am making a request to know if my account is going to be re-opened. Hopefully sometime in January.

Thanks,
John TW
Jaw1LA

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: john watson
To: book mooch
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: Support: Account suspention of Jaw1LA

Dear BookMooch,

I would like to know a clear date of when my account may re-open. Maybe around Dec. 4rth and hopefully before Christmas?

Generally my eagerness to share has been met with positive reinforcement. I have learned not to share what has not been requested from me. I will also be more careful that when permission is needed to obtain a request... that I will only request books I have permission to request.

Again I appeal to you all to reconsider who I am: https://www.facebook.com/LAIC.BookCollective
I lead this collective in an urban poor neighborhood in Los Angeles.

I have had less Bibles to share with my neighbors and friends...
I have had less art books to share with the youth in my neighborhood interested in the arts...
I have had less "How To" books to share with local day laborers at our local day laborer center...
I have had less books to share in my own social network...
I have not sent any more books to operation paperback because the leverage of value for our neighborhood youth is not available.
My credit on paperbackswap has climbed to over 200 points.

I will be looking for english lit. books for a local high school teacher - Alberto Castenada - if and when I am let back into bookmooch. He is one of my former youth that I have coached. He needs books for his students at Miguel Contreras High School.

I am open to guidance. I am trying to be a good steward of the resources I have. If I have any failings that you think I need to grow in please let me know. What is the hardest for me is the loss of resources to share in an already resource challenged neighborhood.

Yes I do also model and teach people in my neighborhood about how to buy, sell, & trade books... and I model what I teach.
The root of this is that some of the youth I work with were quitting school because they could not afford their school books for college. We have gotten some of them through school now by teaching them how to leverage the value of books to afford the education that they need to go on in life. Even then the resources -- whether it is books or money or any other kind of resources -- This all serves to supports the struggle to make my neighborhood more connected with the knowledge, understanding, & wisdom we need to survive and thrive.

Best to you all,
John Watson
Jaw1LA

The West-Lake & Pico Union Neighborhoods are some of the most dense neighborhoods west of the Mississippi. I serve from a faith based perspective because it is what gives me strength. I have seen this as an enduring truth in the African American struggle for justice. I also see this working for many of my Latino brothers & sisters.

You have a different perspective... You can do good here... bring it ... Daily the lives of our neighbors are filled with hopes and dreams that have yet to be liberated and made real. Just do not judge me from a distance and do nothing to help -- thanks.

From: book mooch
To: John Tiersma Watson
Sent: Friday, October 4, 2013 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: Support: Account suspention of Jaw1LA

1. This is the notice we sent, do not generate new support notices but rather respond only to this notice:

"Your account is suspended for 60 days as a result of recent abuse reports and policy violations.

Most recently for having violated our most explicit rule, that you await member permission prior to mooching from an 'ask' account."

2. Upon placing an 'ask' request, the following e-mail is sent to you each and every time:

"You sent a request for the following book:

Title:

Author:

Country:
Owner:

You can mooch this book once you have received permission from the owner."

So as you can see, this message makes it very, very clear that you need to wait for permission to mooch.

3. Due to your past history of abuse complaints, mainly for sending unsolicited religious materials that a number of members perceived as being discriminatory against opposing religious views and/or sexual orientation, your account remains in poor standing, and will thus either face account limitations such as the cancellation of mooch request upon a member complaint, or in the case of multiple complaints, be suspended. If there are no additional complaints, your account will be reactivated after 60 days. Do note we did not make your original complaints of sending discriminatory material a matter of public record associated with your name on the Internet, but can do so if such problems persist.

Bookmooch Support

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:02 AM, BM Help Me wrote:

From:
Name: jaw1la (USA: CA)
User: jaw1la - http://bookmooch.com/admin/userdash?u=jaw1la

Dear BookMooch,

In my eagerness to get a book I missed an important rule. I am truly
sorry ... Though I am not sure what rule it is that I broke.

Can you give me directions to where I can re-read the rules? I do want to
follow them.

If the suspension holds for the time specified I will be sad. I was going
to leverage more books for our group. The LA IC Book Collective:
https://www.facebook.com/LAIC.BookCollective

While sending more books to Operation PaperBack:
https://www.facebook.com/OperationPaperback

Please let me know when this matter will be settled.

Thank You,
John Tiersma Watson

2Jaw1LA
Jan 6, 2014, 1:25 pm

I also find myself continually teased by the system when books on my extensive with list come up and I can not mooch them.

Example:

Sat. Jan 4, 2014 6:16am

A book on your wishlist is now available at BookMooch.

Title: One Year Bible: New International Version (Tyndale House Publishers)
Owner: Marj (USA: WA)

I wonder about the investment of hundreds of dollars to ship books out to get points.

I currently have over 200 points on Paperbackswap.com and I am finding that their system makes it easy for me to give points as Birthday and Christmas gifts.

3joannasephine
Jan 6, 2014, 2:46 pm

John, they've actually been fairly clear as far as I can make out from wh you've posted. The rule you've broken is "You can mooch this book once you have received permission from the owner". In other words, you must not click "mooch" until the book's owner gets back to you to say that yes, they are willing to send books to your area. I know it's frustrating to have to wait and wait, and that some people take ages to get around to saying yes or no, but that's just the way it is.

As to "when" your account will be reactivated ... yes, it should have been reactivated by now. I suspect (but don't know) that your emails to them in response may have reset the system timer. They do say that the 60 days is contingent on there being no further complaints, so that is also a possibility. I don't think your comments regarding why you want to mooch the books are helping your case either -- given that one of the complaints against you is unsolicited religious material, it's not sensible. No matter how deserving you feel your cause is, it does come across (to me, anyway) as proselytising.

4Jaw1LA
Jan 7, 2014, 5:13 am

I did enjoy using Bookmooch while it was available to me. I stick things in books that I read. Articles related to books... post cards... book marks... poetry... I never got a clear answer about what I left or included in the first book that caused the first road bump... but I did get the message.

Since then...

I only send the books requested nothing more or less...

Eagerness about a book and not noticing that I had previously requested it... click

and my account is shut down.

hmmm...

and no I have not sent a lot of emails to their system.

After I have chosen to fill the wishes of multiple peoples to the order of building up over 100 points.

No complaints in between.

I have not had any problem like this with any other web-site -- none.

My record on Ebay.com, Amazon.com, Paperbackswap.com, and other sites are near flawless.

Dysfunctional families / systems create systems where you are :

1. not allowed to think certain thoughts
2. not allowed to have certain feelings
3. not allowed to speak

Silence is not healthy here. Administration and communication can be and should be improved.

Until then... I will trade on paperbackswap.

thanks for your concern joannasephine.

... maybe I will be let back and allowed to share some books ... but I will not be inclined to be so generous. Sad... because I have access to hundreds of books every month.

musing and frustrated,
Jaw1LA

5IreneF
Jan 8, 2014, 3:12 am

John--I'm with you, altho I don't like religious messages in my books. (I just throw them away.) I think suspending your account because you clicked "mooch" before asking the book owner is petty.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that some members aren't from the US, and they might be more likely to be put out by what we consider breaches in etiquette, rather than egregious offenses, and they might be more likely to complain to BookMooch.

I used to tell people about how great BookMooch was, but I don't anymore, because of experiences like yours.

6Amtep
Jan 8, 2014, 6:08 am

So... why wasn't the account reopened after 60 days? What should Jaw1LA do or not do to get it reopened? Does asking when it will be reopened reset the clock on reopening it, like #3 suspected? Will Jaw1LA be notified if it is reopened, or should s/he just try logging in again? Or would trying to log in again be deemed suspicious and reset the clock?

Not knowing the answers to any of these questions is typical of BookMooch admin.

7Jaw1LA
Jan 9, 2014, 4:29 am

Well I have a date now... April 7th...

I can not help but wonder if stirring the pot here made a difference.

Patience and focus.

Hmmm... Now another long wait...

8Jaw1LA
Fév 20, 2014, 2:05 pm

Tick tock....

9RidgewayGirl
Fév 27, 2014, 3:33 am

Look, you broke the rules, not once, but repeatedly. Like my son when he's overtired, you've developed a persecution complex at being called on behaviors that, while against the rules (and impolite), you disagree with.

It's silly to claim that BookMooch is some superpower that is demanding that you "not feel". Have they come to your house to yell at you for laughing or crying? How have they tried to control your emotions?

If you feel that BookMooch is too evocative of an abusive family situation you should have left long ago. You aren't being forced to participate on a website you find offensive.

I have had my problems with BookMooch, but I've never seen any indiction of mind control. Walk away, dude. You're investing way too much emotion and energy into something that you're finding harmful to your own well-being.

And the "ask first" thing is really annoying to people. They have set their accounts to that because they are committed to supporting an international BookMooch, but can't always afford to send books, especially the heavier ones. You're putting them in an uncomfortable situation of having to reject you or spend more than they can afford.

Bibles are heavy. Have you tried thrift stores for extra copies? They get quite a few more than they can sell, but if you were to talk to a manager about your need, going at a time when the store is quiet, you might be able to arrange something where they would save those excess Bibles for you if you were to commit to purchasing them. Or hold a "Bible drive" among your parishioners. Many people end up with extra Bibles that they don't need and would be very happy to donate them to a worthy cause. BookMooch is a source, but it's not the only source of books out there.

10dkhiggin
Fév 27, 2014, 10:41 am

Well said, RidgewayGirl.

11michigantrumpet
Mar 17, 2014, 10:52 am

I agree with >9 RidgewayGirl:. I also use "ask first" specifically because I may not be able to afford shipping heavy books internationally. In practice, I have only had to turn down one moocher because of this, and have sent several books around the world. Prefer this way rather than having to reject someone.

You may have been 'teased' on books coming up on your wish list because 1) it is an 'ask first' international situation; 2) someone has beaten you to the punch and already mooched the book, but the mooch hasn't entered into the system yet as accepted; or 3) the book owner has reserved the book for someone else.

The third situation works to our favor here on LT, because people offer the books here in advance for fellow LTers. Don't want to see that system go off the rails!

12Jaw1LA
Modifié : Avr 17, 2014, 7:53 pm

The book that I ordered for a friend happened to be an art book related to popular comics... from somebody in Canada... if I remember the details correctly. April 7th has come and gone... and I am nervous about initiating any communication.

About being invested... I have built up over 100 points on BookMooch. I have certainly shown a willingness to list books on other people's wish list.

I will now seek to bring things into a balance so I maintain a balance rather than just provide books because I have them.

I have had no problems on any other site I use ... none.

Jaw1LA

13Heather19
Avr 18, 2014, 3:48 pm

I have to agree with RidgewayGirl's post #9. It is well past time for you to cut your losses and walk away.

You have built up points. So have a LOT of other people. You are not a special flower in that regard. When BookMooch stops being a positive force in your life, it's time to move on. Simple as that.

It is useless to try to compare BookMooch to other sites, saying you haven't had problems on other sites, because your reputation on other sites doesn't matter here. What you've done on BookMooch is what matters. And on BookMooch you repeatedly broke the rules. That's what matters.

I genuinely hope that your "bringing things into a balance" means that you are finally going to cooperate with BookMooch rules, not send anything other then books, and maybe better manage your giving/receiving ratio so you don't feel put out. If that is NOT what you mean, then really, just walk away.

14silverbooks
Avr 26, 2014, 9:07 am

How many more threads are you going to start with your whining and complaining? Many people have responded to you with advice but you continue in the same vein. All this time you spend you could be doing something constructive. Obviously, it isn't helping you to post here.

15silverbooks
Modifié : Avr 29, 2014, 2:07 pm

It was just pointed out to me that I am bullying you. I did not mean to bully you but apparently I have. I apologize if that is true. Since having some dire health problems and other things happen in life, I have become too blunt it seems.

I was just trying to say you are over the top on these kind of e-mails and threads and messages and they haven't helped you gain traction on bookmooch.

Since you are working with people in poverty it would seem you could talk to more Republicans about moving legislation along to help those in need, especially VETERANS who they claim to support the troops then leave them with little or no assistance, or doing something more constructive to directly help the people. That is all I meant. You certainly have a right to say these things. You have a right to know they become tiresome to other people. I have no right to bully you. Mea culpa.
Denise
who has 200 probably worthless bookmooch points which represents an investment I lost - life is tough - yet for several years back I did have a lot of fun on Bookmooch especially when the forums were active and people joked around a lot

16Jaw1LA
Mai 27, 2014, 9:23 pm

What you think is too much effort is simply my sorting out the public ground on an issue.

I am part of a collective.

We all buy, sell, and trade books.

We learn from each other...

The loss here will be not just me but the couple dozen others that I work with and we as a collective are intrusted with hundreds of books every month.

Our greatest need in our neighborhood is Spanish/English dictionaries. That and Bibles.

We will do what we need to do to leverage the resources we need to get some of my friends through school... etc.

I have confirmed that I am not alone in my experience here regardless of my imperfections....
on every other website I use... I am seen as an asset.

Peace...

Maybe I will close this thread... I hoped to do so on a more hopeful note.

17Jaw1LA
Juin 16, 2014, 1:57 am

I AM WORN OUT AND DONE... NEVER TO RETURN TO BOOK MOOCH ... AND VERY HAPPY WITH PAPERBACKSWAP.COM. THANK YOU ALL FOR LISTENING. I personally will point those in my network to paperbackswap.com. My last hope is to donate my points to a charity ... if they contact me.

Peace out.

18Jaw1LA
Juin 16, 2014, 2:14 am

How does one close a thread? I am ready to close this and go on...

19RidgewayGirl
Juin 16, 2014, 2:21 am

>18 Jaw1LA: If you stop posting, it will stop appearing at the top of the page.

Glad you are able to let it go and move on. Best of luck in your future endeavors.

20Jaw1LA
Sep 22, 2014, 3:00 pm

Well I have given all my points away to a charity. I have still not heard a parting word from BookMooch.com and have moved on to other trade sites.

I have found this link useful: http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Comparison_of_Book_Swapping_Websites