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1jbbarret
The Week magazine described it as a bad week for pedants.
The compilers of the Oxford English Dictionary have surreptitiously changed the definition of “literally” so that it is no longer wrong to use it to describe metaphorical acts.
The word can now be "used for emphasis".
The new usage was actually added in 2011, said a spokesman, "but it seems to have literally slipped under the radar".
The compilers of the Oxford English Dictionary have surreptitiously changed the definition of “literally” so that it is no longer wrong to use it to describe metaphorical acts.
The word can now be "used for emphasis".
The new usage was actually added in 2011, said a spokesman, "but it seems to have literally slipped under the radar".
2Amtep
This is not really new... 'literally' has just gone the way of 'very', 'truly' and 'really', all of which used to indicate literal truth and then were co-opted for emphasis.
Now we need a new word :) Any candidates?
Now we need a new word :) Any candidates?
3barney67
I'm happy I never bought the OED.
Years ago, I was watching a Celtics game when commentator Tommy Heinsohn, a former Celtic himself, said, "Robert Parrish was literally mugged on that play."
Literally? How much did he lose?
Years ago, I was watching a Celtics game when commentator Tommy Heinsohn, a former Celtic himself, said, "Robert Parrish was literally mugged on that play."
Literally? How much did he lose?
6keristars
I'm so confused now. It's being pedantic to say that "literally" ≠ "metaphorically", but we pedants often refer to the OED as a mighty tome of So There. And now the OED has betrayed us.
Where do I go now for my Argument From Authority.
Where do I go now for my Argument From Authority.
8guido47
But, but, but...
Havingly once (and that was enough) been 'castigated' by the "I survived the Great Vowel Change" Group, for daring to 'even suggest' prescriptive rather than a descriptive approach to English I am sometimes scared :-)
Will any group be 'gentle' with me? Warm bunnies?
Havingly once (and that was enough) been 'castigated' by the "I survived the Great Vowel Change" Group, for daring to 'even suggest' prescriptive rather than a descriptive approach to English I am sometimes scared :-)
Will any group be 'gentle' with me? Warm bunnies?
11thorold
>9 darrow:
Under LESS (adj (and n), adv and conj), sense 1.c, the OED says A smaller number of; fewer. This originates from the Old English construction of lǽs adv. (quasi-n.) with a partitive genitive. Freq. found but generally regarded as incorrect.
The oldest citation is indeed from King Alfred in the year 888, the latest from a 1972 detective story. That's the trouble with descriptive dictionaries...
Under LESS (adj (and n), adv and conj), sense 1.c, the OED says A smaller number of; fewer. This originates from the Old English construction of lǽs adv. (quasi-n.) with a partitive genitive. Freq. found but generally regarded as incorrect.
The oldest citation is indeed from King Alfred in the year 888, the latest from a 1972 detective story. That's the trouble with descriptive dictionaries...
12pgmcc
#10 Uuuunnggghhhhhhh! Off to burn my copy of the OED. . . . .
That is how I felt the year the OED included "organisation" as an alternative spelling for "organization".
We need an "accademy anglais".
That is how I felt the year the OED included "organisation" as an alternative spelling for "organization".
We need an "accademy anglais".
13thorold
>10 Booksloth:,12
I think Booksloth will be busy for a while: by the time you've schlepped all those volumes out to the garden and got a fire hot enough to consume that dense paper... Another advantage of the DVD edition: all you have to do is give it 15 seconds in the microwave.
If we had an A(c/cc/k/ch)ad(e/a)m(y/ie/ye) it would probably devote its first two or three years of discussion to deciding on the correct form of its own name, and the next three or four years to deciding where it should have its permanent seat: Washington DC, Houston, or Mumbai...
I think Booksloth will be busy for a while: by the time you've schlepped all those volumes out to the garden and got a fire hot enough to consume that dense paper... Another advantage of the DVD edition: all you have to do is give it 15 seconds in the microwave.
If we had an A(c/cc/k/ch)ad(e/a)m(y/ie/ye) it would probably devote its first two or three years of discussion to deciding on the correct form of its own name, and the next three or four years to deciding where it should have its permanent seat: Washington DC, Houston, or Mumbai...
14pgmcc
#13 ...where it should have its permanent seat: Washington DC, Houston, or Mumbai...
thorold, are you familiar with the concept of an Internet troll?
:-)
thorold, are you familiar with the concept of an Internet troll?
:-)
16jjwilson61
6> but we pedants often refer to the OED as a mighty tome of So There. And now the OED has betrayed us.
If that is what you have been doing then you have been misled. Pendant = presciptionist. OED = descriptionist. The two do not mix.
If that is what you have been doing then you have been misled. Pendant = presciptionist. OED = descriptionist. The two do not mix.
18pgmcc
#16 Pendant = presciptionist. OED = descriptionist.
Is a "presciptionist" a "prescriptionist" after three pints of beer?
:-)
Is a "presciptionist" a "prescriptionist" after three pints of beer?
:-)
20Helenoel
> 10 - I once tried to burn an particularly awful calculus book- very hard to keep it going.
22keristars
16> I was being facetious, but it is fairly common to bust out the dictionaries to prove a pedantic point.
23Booksloth
#10/12/13 Of course, as my daughter pointed out, my current OED is correct. Literally correct. As opposed to the latest version which is only literally correct.
24jjwilson61
18, 19> I never claimed to be pedant or pendant. I haven't even actually joined this group, I only watch it.
25thorold
>24 jjwilson61:
...which would make you a hanger-on, or pendant!
...which would make you a hanger-on, or pendant!
28CliffordDorset
Incidentally (almost), any thoughts on the origin of 'bombshell', which seems to be a literary/journalistic construction quite separate from the realities of 'bomb' and 'shell'?
In order to foul 'prior art' on a (propelled) shell which can also be used as a (dropped or placed) bomb, remember you saw the idea here first ...
In order to foul 'prior art' on a (propelled) shell which can also be used as a (dropped or placed) bomb, remember you saw the idea here first ...
29thorold
Resorting as always to the OED: they have a citation from 1708 "...kill'd by a piece of Bomb-Shell" that clearly uses it literally for "the shell of a bomb" (i.e. what we would call shrapnel), but the next instance is from Motley in 1860: "The famous..letter, which descended like a bombshell, in the midst of the decorous council-chamber" — more or less the modern figurative use.
I had a look at "bomb" and "shell". The OED isn't very clear about it, but it looks as though in the 17th and 18th century you could use them interchangeably, most commonly for the explosive projectile you fire from a mortar. At some point in the 19th century they seem to have split, with "shell" becoming the explosive projectile fired from a rifled gun, and "bomb" an explosive device that is placed or thrown.
I had a look at "bomb" and "shell". The OED isn't very clear about it, but it looks as though in the 17th and 18th century you could use them interchangeably, most commonly for the explosive projectile you fire from a mortar. At some point in the 19th century they seem to have split, with "shell" becoming the explosive projectile fired from a rifled gun, and "bomb" an explosive device that is placed or thrown.
30jbbarret
In this week's 'Private Eye', ('Commentatorballs' column), there's a quote from Denise Lewis, BBC1, who commented, "She literally could not put a foot down".
34darrow
My local bus service has a single seat at the front. A sign above says "Only children who can place their feet firmly on the floor may use this seat."
I suppose it keeps levitating children away.
I suppose it keeps levitating children away.
36thorold
>34 darrow:
...also seems to be rather unfair to people with siblings.
...also seems to be rather unfair to people with siblings.
37pgmcc
I recieved an e-mail today from the IT Administrator:
I’ll need to make a change to the exchange server @ 1pm today, if you experience any issues please restart Outlook.
I thought it very generous of the IT Department to come up with a way to readicate all our issues. It makes life so much simpler.
I’ll need to make a change to the exchange server @ 1pm today, if you experience any issues please restart Outlook.
I thought it very generous of the IT Department to come up with a way to readicate all our issues. It makes life so much simpler.
38Novak
>36 thorold: We have local authority signage (smirk) on our buses that headlines "Are you a parent or do you care for children?"
40justjim
I love children. I couldn't eat a whole one by myself though. http://instantrimshot.com/index.php?sound=rimshot&play=true
41Muscogulus
> 38
I could literally care less.
I could literally care less.
43jbbarret
Reported this week by Private Eye:
Aston Villa literally metaphorically had their pants pulled down
(Dion Dublin, BBC1)
Aston Villa literally metaphorically had their pants pulled down
(Dion Dublin, BBC1)
46CliffordDorset
On the other hand there was the beachcomber who always took things littorally.