Oh No!!!!!!!!!! Tonto is a Pagan!!!

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Oh No!!!!!!!!!! Tonto is a Pagan!!!

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1rastaphrog
Juil 5, 2013, 10:08 pm

Christians upset over Depp’s ‘Tonto’ being too pagan in ‘Lone Ranger’

There are plenty of reasons not to see the "Lone Ranger" reboot by Director Gore Verbinski, but Christian groups are protesting it for a whole other reason than regular reviewers. According to the Christian Post, conservatives are rankled that Tonto is not Christian enough and that the version of history being portrayed in the film is slanted against the right.

Full story at http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/05/christians-upset-over-depps-tonto-being-to...

While I'm not well versed in the "history" of the period nor was I ever a big "Lone Ranger" fan, from what I do know, the things mentioned in the story sound pretty close to what I do know.

2Meredy
Juil 6, 2013, 4:05 pm

Somehow I still manage to be amazed at a mindset that says "If I disagree with it, I have a right to be offended by it, and I also have a right to be protected from anything that offends me--not by staying clear of it but by stamping it out."

If those folks ever did succeed in getting everybody on the same side, they'd have nothing left to live for. Never mind what that would do to professional sports.

3Jesse_wiedinmyer
Juil 6, 2013, 8:48 pm

That's why you have professional sports, though. To give everyone something arbitrary to root for/against.

Go Area Team!

4quicksiva
Juil 7, 2013, 10:44 am

I doubt that a hero modeled on Bass Reeves would make some people. happier.

In spite of Clayton Moore, Chad Michael Murray, and now, Armie Hammer, having played the leading role of the Lone Ranger. A closer look at the historicity of the Lone Ranger’s story however, suggests the possible inspiration for the legendary figure to be Bass Reeves, an often forgotten former slave and U.S. Marshall in the Indian Territory in the years preceding the Civil War.

“In 1875, a former slave named Bass Reeves began his career as a deputy U.S. Marshal under the guidance of Federal Judge Isaac Parker of the Western District of Arkansas. Roaming a 75,000 mile area in what is now mostly Oklahoma, Reeves was responsible for chasing and apprehending criminals. To do his job, Reeves employed a number of clever tricks and techniques all too reminiscent of the well known Masked Avenger. As a 6’2″ man, Reeves learned from the Native Americans how to make himself appear smaller on his strong white and grey horse. At times he would surprise outlaws by adopting their clothing and mannerisms. Just as the Lone Ranger gave out silver bullets, so too did Reeves give out silver dollars as calling cards. Reeves was also often accompanied by one particular Native American, whose name is unfortunately unknown to historians at this time. According to contemporary reports, Reeves apprehended more than 3,000 outlaws and killed 14 during his time as a marshal. Many of the criminals he apprehended were sent to Detroit to serve their time. Interestingly enough, it was in Detroit that the Lone Ranger radio program first aired.

What the Lone Ranger did in movies, Bass Reeves did in real life. Known for wielding a rifle along with two pistols on either hip and being a dangerously accurate shot, Reeves no doubt had an intimidating presence. It was his unwavering dedication to his job however, that gave Reeves his serious reputation throughout the West. Despite his success, Reeves was forced to retire in 1907 when Oklahoma became a state due to the strict Jim Crow laws. Sadly, his larger than life persona has since been lost in the annals of history. While the story of the fictional Lone Ranger comes back time and time again, the true story of Bass Reeves continues on without much notice.”

See:Bass Reeves: The Real Lone Ranger? By Hannah Eddy online

See also: Burton, Arthur; Art T. Burton (2006). Black Gun, Silver Star: the Life and Legend of Frontier Marshal Bass Reeves. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press.

5Meredy
Juil 7, 2013, 3:29 pm

4: Very interesting! And don't forget the black mask...

6BTRIPP
Juil 7, 2013, 8:54 pm

Re. #3: "That's why you have professional sports, though. To give everyone something arbitrary to root for/against."

Heh ... that's how I duck probing questions from my Pagan friends ... I'll tell them that I'm a member of "The High Holy Church of the NFL - Bears Sect" ... and that's almost more virulently sectarian than the Baptists get!

 

7Sandydog1
Modifié : Août 22, 2013, 7:41 pm

Tonto must have at least been exposed to some formal tribal religion, no?

Of course, now, many of Tonto's descendants will chew peyote, pray to Jesus all night long and vomit into large wastebaskets, conveniently located next to the altar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhlm6_AwQNk

8IanFryer
Août 19, 2013, 1:44 pm

Could I also add that I thought The Lone Ranger movie was really good, and I'm mystified why the American critics were so tough on it. Also (more the the point on this forum) a very strong hint is made that The Ranger is atheist.