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Without you, there is no us : my time with the sons of North Korea's elite (original 2014; édition 2014)

par Suki Kim

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Biography & Autobiography. History. Politics. Nonfiction. HTML:A haunting account of teaching English to the sons of North Korea's ruling class during the last six months of Kim Jong-il's reign
 
Every day, three times a day, the students march in two straight lines, singing praises to Kim Jong-il and North Korea: Without you, there is no motherland. Without you, there is no us. It is a chilling scene, but gradually Suki Kim, too, learns the tune and, without noticing, begins to hum it. It is 2011, and all universities in North Korea have been shut down for an entire year, the students sent to construction fields??except for the 270 students at the all-male Pyongyang University of Science and Technology (PUST), a walled compound where portraits of Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il look on impassively from the walls of every room, and where Suki has gone undercover as a missionary and a teacher. Over the next six months, she will eat three meals a day with her young charges and struggle to teach them English, all under the watchful eye of the regime.
Life at PUST is lonely and claustrophobic, especially for Suki, whose letters are read by censors and who must hide her notes and photographs not only from her minders but from her colleagues??evangelical Christian missionaries who don't know or choose to ignore that Suki doesn't share their faith. As the weeks pass, she is mystified by how easily her students lie, unnerved by their obedience to the regime. At the same time, they offer Suki tantalizing glimpses of their private selves??their boyish enthusiasm, their eagerness to please, the flashes of curiosity that have not yet been extinguished. She in turn begins to hint at the existence of a world beyond their own??at such exotic activities as surfing the Internet or traveling freely and, more dangerously, at electoral democracy and other ideas forbidden in a country where defectors risk torture and execution. But when Kim Jong-il dies, and the boys she has come to love appear devastated, she wonders whether the gulf between her world and theirs can ever be bridged.
Without You, There Is No Us offers a moving and incalculably rare glimpse of life in the world's most unknowable country, and at the privileged young men she calls "soldiers a
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Titre:Without you, there is no us : my time with the sons of North Korea's elite
Auteurs:Suki Kim
Info:New York : Crown Publishers, [2014]
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Without You, There Is No Us: My Time with the Sons of North Korea's Elite par Suki Kim (2014)

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    Nickelini: Both books are compelling, fascinating reads. Nothing to Envy covers a broad scope, and Without You, There is No Us has a tight focus. They explore the North Korean regime from different angles.
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Author Suki Kim goes undercover to teach college-level English for the DPRK's elite. I'm astonished this school actually exists (it's privately funded by Christian missionaries who promise not to proselytize). Kim describes a bleak North Korea (no surprise) where even the elite experience forced labor, food shortages, lack of access to basic medical services, routine power outages, lack of heat, etc. The populace is completely brainwashed into thinking that their country is the best in the world on literally ever measure. A good book to read if you'd like to learn more about what life is like in one of the most repressive regimes in the world. ( )
  jj24 | May 27, 2024 |
This is a memoir/investigative piece by Kim, who spends two semesters in North Korea teaching English to elite college men. The tension this entire book is under is sometimes dizzying. Kim walks a careful line between winding to find out as much about North Korea as she an and not wanting to arouse suspicion. She wants to tell these young men as much about the outside world as she can, but is held back both by restrictions on what she is allowed to teach/discuss, as well as the fear that she might make them more miserable in the end, as they currently seem to buy into the myths of North Korea's superiority over the rest of the world. (As for what current means in the context of this book, it ends shortly after the death of Kim Jong-il in 2011.) Add in that the school is run by Evangelical Christians (which she is not), and that all of her emails, phone calls, and most conversations are monitored, and the levels of secrecy, self-censorship, and faked opinions/identity/facts, quickly become suffocating.

I wish I hadn't left this on my shelves so long before reading it, but I am glad to have read it now. Reading it right after my Scientology binge was interesting, as there were a lot of unexpected parallels in the cult of personality and some of the mind/reality control. (Obviously, there are a lot of differences, too. But maybe only because LRH was never successful in taking over an entire country.)

An intriguing counterpart to all of the memoirs of defectors and refugees. ( )
  greeniezona | May 29, 2023 |
Without You There Is No Us/Suki Kim This description of the author’s time in North Korea allows us to enter a world we know little about. While there are some details I want to know more about, she includes a lot of interesting small details. She talks enough about herself to want me knowing more but not to satisfy me.I'm entirely fascinated by North Korea. It's a location very few people are lucky enough to enter, and I was extremely jealous of Suki. However, this book is hard to read as memoir. At times it feels like there’s either too much or not enough detail about the author herself. We hear a lot about her love life and how she feels lonely, but we don’t get specific details about how she had recently broken off an engagement or about how she got to know the person she’s rekindling a flame with. I'd want her to either cut all of her personal life out or make it relevant and work it in.is is a very real look at a lifestyle very few others can imagine. As it stands, this book is about Suki and about North Korea whereas it would be much easier to read if these details intertwined.There are many details that lend this book a feeling of reality, small things like these are juicy, but these details are all that really keeps the book moving. Some details that are thrown in could be expanded more. I think it'd be more interesting to interview the author to really get a sense of what each reader individually would be interested in. ( )
  whakaora | Mar 5, 2023 |
Eleinte úgy éreztem, lyukra futottam – szerettem volna valami elemzést olvasni Észak-Koreáról, ehelyett kaptam egy elemzést egy koreai-amerikai hölgy távkapcsolati nehézségeiről. Aztán rájöttem, hogy ezt a könyvet nem szakirodalomként, hanem szépirodalomként helyesebb olvasni (mert van egy kapcsoló a fejemben, amivel ezt szabályozni lehet, bizony), és onnantól kezdve már működött a szöveg. Nyilván nem volt hátrány, hogy Suki Kimnek különben remek, szenzitív stílusa van, és hogy végül tényszerűen megérkezett az észak-koreai elit egyetemre, amit a fülszöveg beígért nekem. Meg aztán a szerző valójában nagyon is tisztességesen jár el – hiszen ő újságíró, nem pedig gazdaságtörténész vagy szociológus, és vélhetően mindenki úgy jár jobban, ha nem is álcázza magát annak. Publicistának viszont tényleg ügyes, úgyhogy írjon csak arról, amit lát, ne mélyelemezzen, ha nem akar – majd mélyelemzek én. (Ha akarok.)

Amúgy külön értéke a műnek, hogy nem az emigránsok oldaláról közelíti meg Észak-Koreát, hanem röpke betekintést nyújt a pártfunkcik gyerekeinek világába – vagyis azokéba, akik majd az ország krémje lesznek, ha a Bölcs Vezér nem végezteti ki őket addig (ami amúgy szokása). Nyilván van egy olyan erős (néha túl erős) üzenet, hogy ezek a srácok épp olyan fiatalok, mint bárki más, és ha a hatalom nem telepedne rájuk az agyleszívó propagandájával, talán még normális életet is élhetnének – így viszont a legerősebb érzésünk irántuk a szánalom*. Merthogy ezek a fiatalok egy olyan helyenként brutális, helyenként pedig nevetségesen groteszk nyomásnak vannak kitéve**, ami még a Kádár-korszak ismeretében is valószerűtlen hatást kelt. Ezeknek az elemeknek a visszafogott, mégis érzékletes megjelenítéséért mindenképpen érdemes volt elolvasni ezt a könyvet. Mindenesetre tapasztalataimat, remélem, nem kell majd hasznosítanom.

* Az például, hogy ezek az egyetemisták nyakra-főre hazudoznak amerikai tanáraiknak arról, hogy milyen vagány dolgokat csináltak hétvégén (holott épp krumplit gazoltak hajnaltól sötétedésig a nagyvezír parancsára), nagyon emberi. Én legalábbis csak úgy tudom értelmezni ezt, mint a szégyen és a megfelelési kényszer megnyilvánulását valakivel szemben, akinek nyilvánvalóan teljesebb élete van.
** Már maga az is milyen groteszk, hogy a fiúk angolul tanulnak, holott ha százból egy közülük átlépheti majd a határt, akkor már sokat mondtam. Ilyen erővel akár óegyiptomi dialektusban is megtanulhatnának beszélni, hisz kábé ugyanannyi óegyiptomi kószálhat per pillanat Észak-Koreában, mint angolszász. ( )
  Kuszma | Jul 2, 2022 |
I've read several books about North Korea now, fiction and non-fiction, but this is the first memoir I've read, and I have to say it is the saddest book about that enigmatic place that I have read. Suki Kim takes us inside the Pyongyang University of Science and Technology, where she taught English to the sons of North Korea's elites for two terms in 2011. More so than any other book, Kim's tale demonstrates how the North Korean people are trapped by their imposed Juche culture, which makes it nearly impossible to even comprehend a world where there is more to life than the Great Leader and his works. ( )
  nbornstein | Mar 5, 2022 |
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Biography & Autobiography. History. Politics. Nonfiction. HTML:A haunting account of teaching English to the sons of North Korea's ruling class during the last six months of Kim Jong-il's reign
 
Every day, three times a day, the students march in two straight lines, singing praises to Kim Jong-il and North Korea: Without you, there is no motherland. Without you, there is no us. It is a chilling scene, but gradually Suki Kim, too, learns the tune and, without noticing, begins to hum it. It is 2011, and all universities in North Korea have been shut down for an entire year, the students sent to construction fields??except for the 270 students at the all-male Pyongyang University of Science and Technology (PUST), a walled compound where portraits of Kim Il-sung and Kim Jong-il look on impassively from the walls of every room, and where Suki has gone undercover as a missionary and a teacher. Over the next six months, she will eat three meals a day with her young charges and struggle to teach them English, all under the watchful eye of the regime.
Life at PUST is lonely and claustrophobic, especially for Suki, whose letters are read by censors and who must hide her notes and photographs not only from her minders but from her colleagues??evangelical Christian missionaries who don't know or choose to ignore that Suki doesn't share their faith. As the weeks pass, she is mystified by how easily her students lie, unnerved by their obedience to the regime. At the same time, they offer Suki tantalizing glimpses of their private selves??their boyish enthusiasm, their eagerness to please, the flashes of curiosity that have not yet been extinguished. She in turn begins to hint at the existence of a world beyond their own??at such exotic activities as surfing the Internet or traveling freely and, more dangerously, at electoral democracy and other ideas forbidden in a country where defectors risk torture and execution. But when Kim Jong-il dies, and the boys she has come to love appear devastated, she wonders whether the gulf between her world and theirs can ever be bridged.
Without You, There Is No Us offers a moving and incalculably rare glimpse of life in the world's most unknowable country, and at the privileged young men she calls "soldiers a

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